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Sabine K
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 Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 1:05:58 PM
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Hello,
I am Sabine from Germany (so please excuse my bad english writing - I am better in talking!)
Here in Germany we have less than 100 Anglo`s registered together in two Arab Registries.
I call one mare and her 2010 born filly my own.
Each year, we have less and less opportunies to enter a halter show class.
Eather they do not offer classes for us, or the classes getting cancelled as only one or two people have entered.
Even at the Nationals we had no Anglo halter Show Class offered the last couple of years (but ridden classes are still offered)
The anglo seems to be a "dying breed" her in Germany as even Warmblood breeders prefer the TB.
Compered to Germany, I would like to know how it is in England ?
Anyone who can say an approximatly nummer auf Anglos registered in England (do you have more than one Arab Horse registry ?)
Who keeps on breeding them (pics are wellcome!!)
Which breedings do you prefer - and why:
purebred x TB
purebred x Anglo
Anglo x TB
(Here in Germany we also use the Shagya Arabian but I know that in England, France, America and Australia these "Anglos" would be registered as partbreds only)
What are your main shows, where Anglos will be shown in Halter and Ridden classes ?
How many competitors joining ?
Thanks in advance !
Sabine
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weirton
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 1:56:33 PM
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This is a very controversial subject here at the moment Sabine.
Well this could open another 'can of worms'. I think I'll let Babs have first go at this one as I don't feel strong enough for this on a Monday.
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nn
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 4:15:26 PM
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Hi Sabine
Would love to see pictures of your anglos.
The Anglo in this country is on the decline.Not as many people are breeding horses for various reasons and that has effected its numbers.
I breed one Anglo foal a year. My Anglo stallion died a few years ago but i am lucky enough to have frozen semen from him.
He was graded trakehner and my mare is also graded so my Anglo foals also have full pink papers.
I thought that in Germany the trakehner breeders liked the Anglo to cross onto?
I like my Anglos to have a high percentage of TB blood.75% 25% if possible. I think my foals are coming out with 30+% Arab at the moment.
There are classes to show them both in hand and under saddle. But they are usually combined with the partbreds.
We only have the one breed society but you can over stamp or grade into other breed societies if you wish.
 This is my AA mare with last years filly foal at foot.The foal won and was reserve champion at the trakehner show 09.
 This is my AA stallion Fairlyn Gemini
Personally i think that the AA has everything you need in a horse. they are good looking,trainable and very sound.If you look at the pedigrees of most German horses the Arab blood is in there!
Nicky
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templars
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 5:27:46 PM
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I can't speak for the halter (in hand) classes because we don't show.
We currently have 2 Anglo geldings:
1. Pure Anglo 50% Arab 50% TB, a 4 year old 16.2 gelding who will event later this year
2. French bred Anglo Arabe 40% Arab and the rest is mainly TB with a hint of Selle Francais but it makes him a part bred according to the British definition. He's a 16.3 gelding, 3* eventer who has represented France and Italy at the World Championships
We have several part bred horses:
1. Part bred mare 50% Arab 50% Cleveland Bay mare, a 15.3 10 year old broodmare
2. Part bred 4 year old colt, 75% Arab 25% Cleveland Bay 16.0 out of the above mare - he will event
3. Part bred yearling filly, 50% Arab 50% Cleveland Bay who will event when she is old enough, she should easily make 16.1
4. Part bred Dutch mare, 15 year old 14.2 who is 40% Arab, 40% TB and 20% Welsh
5. Part bred yearling colt, 50% Arab 50% Caspian who will become a child's sport pony - he should mature about 12.2
The part bred foals we are breeding this year are:
1. Out of mare 1 above - she's with a young event stallion so the resulting foal will be 25% Arab, 25% Cleveland, 25% ID and 25% TB - very excited about this one!
2. By our Arab stallion (99.7% Crabbet) out of the Dutch bred part bred above
3. By our Arab stallion as above out of a 7/8 TB Welton bred mare
We are absolutely thrilled to be joining the ever decreasing ranks of Anglo breeders. Our breeding plans for this year are:
1. Anglo foal out of 100% Crabbet mare - she is currently visiting a sire of advanced eventers (infact he's the sire of our British bred 3* eventing horse)
2. Anglo foal out of a 99% Crabbet mare, daughter of the above who is currently visiting a National Hunt stallion
3. Anglo foal out of the beautiful and talented Taragun who is currently visting an advanced eventer
If finances permit (ha ha) I'll also try and breed an Anglo by putting one of my mares to a very rare TB but that may have to wait until next year.
We're breeding foals rather later in the year than many studs because we don't show and we live so high up, the weather is really bad until June and we want the babies to have as much freedom and space as they can when they are born.
Very, very excited about next year!!!! 3 Part breds, 3 Anglos and 2 pures due!!
Forgot to say - we've also just bought a 17.2 black Warmblood for eventing! I always swore I'd never have a Warmblood because I don't like them but something about this boy caught my eye. He was advertised as a Warmblood but he just looks - well - different. So, after we'd seen him, I researched his pedigree and found out that he isn't Warmblood at all - he's by a Selle Francais stallion that was taken into the Warmblood stud book to add some refinement and speed. And a couple of generations back on both sides - you guessed it - Arab!!!!!!!! I knew there was something I liked about him!
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Cryapakah
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 5:41:39 PM
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| Templars are there any photos of this new boy? he sounds lovely! |
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nn
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England
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 5:45:01 PM
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Templars.
We to have become warmblood owners! We just say he is a partbred. As they all have some arab blood in there
Good luck with the new boy and the rest of the gang.
Amy is off to Ireland in two weeks with under 21s so that should be fun.
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Lynda
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 6:07:14 PM
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Hello Sabine,
Welcome. How refreshing to hear of breeders of Anglos from other countries. Yes, the UK is also on the decline with registering Anglos. Very little has been done for these lovely horses, and many now register their stock as sports horses or Part bred Arabs.
We do run a competition purely for ridden anglo and part bred arabs, but as yet we have not the numbers to split the anglos from the Part breds. There does seem to be more of an interest in breeding anglos, but it is going to take a long time to build the numbers up. Our society, and a few group shows do split their classes, but there are not really the numbers to justify it.
We did write to the Anglo association in France to invite them to attend the show - but never received a reply.
Our ridden competition is opening this year to include In-hand classes, and you would be most welcome to come to view the English way of showing ridden and In-hand classes. I am sure that if you did make the journey over to the UK, most of the studs would open their doors for you.
We would love to see pictures of your horses.
As you can see from nn's photos, we are still breeding beautiful Anglos. |
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Sabine K
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 6:24:38 PM
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Thanks for your Replys.
This is my Anglo mare.
She is 50 % purebred x 50 % tb
Her height is 1,60 m. I don`t know how much that is in Hands as we do not meassure with Hands here in Germany.
National Champion Anglo 2002
Further Championships at several Shows since then:
(Foto taken by Zoomperfomance)
Our Ribboncolours are different to yours. Blue would be 4th in Germany
Photo taken by Zoomperformance
Photo taken bei Martin Wießmann
Photos of the filly will follow.
Sabine
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Sabine K
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 6:29:50 PM
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@ Lynda
Yes, the french people seems to be a bit strange in these things.
A couple of years ago I was interested in an anglo Stallion they had at the national stud.
As long you write in english they will not answer!
I notice that at work when french people are calling. They are not willing to speak or write in english and if you try to speak in english with them, they are just breaking up the phonecall.
Friends of mine had the same probleme.
But I noticed that - begining in 2010 - the french arab horse registrie has introduced a new studbock called: the anglo-arabian partbred |
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weirton
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 6:41:09 PM
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Well that's interesting. Are Part-Bred Anglo Arabs the same as Section 11 Anglos?????
Incidentally I have just realised that all my signature pictures are of Anglos ( except the dog & cat ), including our now deceased Premium stallion, BNC "Kings Flight", who is so greatly missed.
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BabsR
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 6:44:03 PM
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Hi Sabine
Welcome to Arabian Lines. We have already had the pleasure of sharing several E-Mails and so pleased you have now joined us.
There are but a few dedicated breeders of Anglos in this Country and most of us are heading towards the retirement age. In fact, the replies so far, are from those from this ever decreasing circle of Anglo Breeders/Enthusiasts.
We sadly lost our 24 yr old homebred Premium BNC Anglo stallion last year and unfortunately did not collect and freeze semen from him. He has left a wonderful legacy through his many excellent female offspring, ensuring his bloodlines will continue to flow through the veins of his descendants for years to come
Anglo and Part Bred Arab entries continue to decline at our National Breed Show, which is indeed very sad. However.......we still have our HOYS equivalent Annual Show, The Cherif Anglo/Part Bred Arab Ridden Championships This prestigeous Show has amazing support, with qualifying exhibits being of the very highest calibre.
This year, the Organisers have introduced In-Hand classes for both youngstock and mature exhibits, which has been received with much excitement, as Breeders will now have a very major Show as a shopwindow to showcase the future Ridden Anglo/Part Bred Arabs of the future.
We look forward to sharing your News, Views, and photos and welcome you to this forum
Babs
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Sabine K
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 7:00:08 PM
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@ Weirton
Who is Kings Flight - the one on the first or second pic in your signature ? |
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Sabine K
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 7:03:02 PM
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@ BabsR
It`s the same here.
Anglos are now together with the partbreds in the same halter and ridden classes.
In halter classes I find it very difficult comparing an anglo with arab pintos, arab x haflingers etc. pp.
We also have different ages and mares and stallions together in one class - that makes it even harder for a mare to win. |
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weirton
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 7:48:17 PM
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Sabine,
King's Flight is the second from the left and the first left is his son Weirton Royal Ascent as a 2yr old.
I agree that Anglos are very different from other crosses, which makes it more sad when people register Anglos as Part-breds, but putting them together is inevitable when classes are small.
Thank you for posting pictures of your mare, she looks really nice. It would be good to see her in a class in the UK.
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xsara
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 8:06:39 PM
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| Hi and welcome to the group I have a 2yr arab 50% x german warmblood 50% and it is a very nice mix I am looking forward to the future with her |
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Sabine K
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 8:24:14 PM
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I fell in love with the anglo`s in australia.
saw some to die for.
If only I would win lotto (but I guess, I have to by a ticket first )
Well, I prefere the anglo with more than 50 % arab blood that is why I bred my mare back to a purebred stallion.
This is my 23rd of april born filly.
Interested into football at the moment.
And no - I don`t think that Germany will make it into the final!
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Edited by - Sabine K on 07 Jun 2010 8:26:03 PM |
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georgiauk
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 08:18:04 AM
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Hi Sabine,
I really have no right to comment on this thread as I am a purebred devotee but just wanted to say what lovely horses your Anglos are. My business partner has an Anglo gelding by the great Fairlyn Gemini who is stunning and moves beautifully. It seems to me that if you need a bigger horse than an Arab with more scope the Anglo is perfect, I really have no idea why they are not more popular. I, like you, prefer Anglos with a high % Arab, but then I would wouldn't I?!?
cheers
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templars
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weirton
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 10:32:35 AM
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I agree a truly lovely foal and very much my prefered type.
I also like a bit more Arab rather than a bit more TB even if it does sometimes limit the range of classes available to enter.
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sab2
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 11:29:47 AM
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| Lovely pictures of your beautiful mare and foal, i too am a fan of anglos and partbreds |
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Sabine K
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 11:42:12 AM
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The Sire of my foal is Shakaar Ibn Sanadiva (Kubinec x Om el Sanadiva).
He is the full brother to FS Bengali.
Shakaar got European ridden Sport Champion last autumn.
Foto taken by Betty Finke
Foto taken bei Carola Toischel
Yes, they way I did it, is not very popular - but I find that anglos out of anglo x anglo breeds becoming very buffy looking here in Germany.
Some of them are very good sport horses - but the have an andalusian like head (what I personally don`t like)
Some nice Anglo stallions got importet from France the last 3 years and I do like them. If I had a warmblood mare I would use them, but I do not think that they would be the right partner for my mare.
As mentioned before, I prefere the more arabian lookalike in an anglo - knowing that I will not get a sport horse that can compete against warmbloods on highest level.
Can you use every purebred stallion you want for anglo breeding in England ?
It is different here. The stallions have to ask and get the permission for anglos and partbreds. These stallions have to do the stallion performance test.
I guess in some cases you can ask für a special breeding permission as the number of anglos is dropping down that much.
Are the anglos in England are registered in different sections / studbooks?
Someone mentioned Section 11 but I do not know what that means ?
Someone above has already posted pics of his pretty anglos and I would love to see some more of your horses.
Anyone else showing me more pics of the lovely british anglos.......
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Edited by - Sabine K on 08 Jun 2010 11:47:30 AM |
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BabsR
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 12:47:18 PM
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Sabine.....we breed Anglo to Thoroughbred and Anglos to Anglos and have concentrated our breeding programme towards producing foals not only capable of success in a variety of open showing classes, In Hand and under saddle but also with the performance bloodlines to compete in any discipline.
Your 75% Arab 25% TB foal is seriously beautiful...a real stunner of a girlie foal, and very like the exotic Australian Anglos, who also show a very strong Arab look
In this Country, generally, in Hack, Riding Horse etc etc and even in most Anglo/Part Bred Arab classes,Judges tend not to favour the higher percentage Arabian look.
We are a very small stud and to continue breeding, we do occasionally have to sell our foals and youngstock and have therefore, specialised our breeding plans towards an allround versatile Show and Competition Anglo.... Like yourself, we favour a beautiful expressive head and eye, whilst not compromising good conformation, excellent action and performance capabilities.
ANGLO ARAB TO THOROUGHBRED 25% Arab/75% TB
PURE ARAB TO THOROUGHBRED 50% Arab/50% TB
ANGLO ARAB TO ANGLO ARAB 37.50% Arab/62.50% TB
Typical of Sunray Bred Anglo Arabs
Babs
www.SunrayAngloArabianStud.co.uk
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Hazel Cornes
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 6:52:26 PM
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These are pics of the 2 Anglos I have bred
Antsar Fredero - 62.5% arab Sire: El Prendero Anglo Arab Dam: September Shade Pure Bred Arab
Photo taken at British Dressage Summer Regional Championships
El Prendero (don't own him) taken at the Arab National Show with his owner Margaret Lloyd
Antsar Law - 50% Sire: Criminal Law Thoroughbred Dam: Maria bint Lavado Pure Bred Arab
photo by ES Photography
Just have to say how much I love your photos Sabine and that you have given AL's & AL Studs the opportunity to show some super stock. We also measure in cms, Antsar Fredero is 156.5cms & Antsar Law was 158cms. |
Edited by - Hazel Cornes on 08 Jun 2010 6:53:49 PM |
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Sabine K
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 6:36:49 PM
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@ Hazel Comes
Very nice Anglos !
You mentioned "Antsar Law was 158cms" - did you sell him or did he pass away?
I`d like to see more pics of your anglo.
Did you enter them regulary in ridding classes at arab horse events (and in open classes)
@ BabsR
I saw a couple of really nice Anglos at your Homepage.
They all have a special aura around them
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The problem we have, with putting anglos and diferent types of partbreds together in one classe, - our jugdes are not giving champion and reserve champion to the same bred as they expect a bad feedback from the other breeders.
For example: In 2008 I got champion and I heard the judges wispering that the other anglo should deverse the reserve champion sash but in such a class they can not nominate two horses of same breed - so they gave reserve champion to a pinto (who wasn`t better than the other anglo!)
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