Originally posted by vanbro

Sometimes you get an AHAA! moment and you start to think back.
I bred a filly from my mare years ago and at the time I just thought the filly was a victim of a 'birth accident' ie cerebral palsy/cerebral anoxia. She was unable to stand , was having spasms and also she as a strange colour too,for an Arab, if that is of any significance!!!!
I had her put down almost immediately.
I know that the mare never ever had another foal like that, or even lost a foal,but I don't know about the stallion.
Maybe that foal had CA ???

Originally posted by szedlisa

For all concerned with CA ( cerebellar abiotrophy), here is a list to date of horses that have been tested and have had their test results published on public forums or webpages. CA affects all bloodlines so this includes all bloodlines:

To order CA TEST FORMS from UC Davis , please do so here:
http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/horse.php

For assistance with ordering the test online, contact the VGL’s Customer Service section by phone (530) 752-2211, FAX (530) 752-3556 or email: http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/contact/email.php

Samples from horses outside the USA *ARE* accepted. The package containing the samples will need a US Import Permit. This is available from UC Davis so get in touch with them at the above email contact.

LIST of PUBLICALLY POSTED RESULTS: (and where found for confirmation)

20 March 2008 by szedlisa (Breeder) SZED Spanish Arabians
SZED Hermosa - 87cm (*SZED Payaso x *SZED Halme by Mizar) N/CA, CARRIER
*SZED Halime -79cm (Mizar x Hagia by Zancudo/Urga) CA AFFECTED
SZED Mariposa - 90cm (*Machote x *Merbat by Pachaka) N/CA, CARRIER
MIZAR - 69bs (Saludo x Bizancio II) sire of affected mare. CARRIER
HAGIA - 66cm (Zancudo x Urga) dam of affected mare. CARRIER
*MACHOTE - 79gg (Guadalcacin x Malenca) sire of affected foal. CARRIER
*USIA - 82gm (Latino x Querella) dam of affected foal CARRIER

3 Dec 2008 by szedlisa on ABN-CA thread
MARAJJ - (Marwan Al Shaqab x RGA Khouress) N/CA, CARRIER
RGA KOURESS - (Kouvay Bey x Angophora) N/CA, CARRIER
MARWAN AL SHAQAB - (Gazal Al Shaqab x Little Liza Fame) N/N, normal (clear)

18 Dec 2008 by Silver Shdow ( a repeat but needs to be added here)on ABN-CA thread
MAF SILVER FIRE(CBA60): N/N - Normal: horse does not possess markers associated with CA
ZAPATERO'S MYSTERIOUS GEM(CBA61): N/N - Normal: horse does not possess markers associated with CA
SILVERS LEGACY(CBA62): N/N - Normal: horse does not possess markers associated with CA

23 Dec 2008 by Crimson Farms on ABN-CA thread
Stallions
Desert Heat VF+/ - Clear
Allusion AOF+ (Allionce x Flaring Fire) - Clear
EA Errogonce (Allionce x Twilite) - Clear
WH York (Marwan Al Shaqab x WH Moneca Ren) - Clear
GR Marvel (Marwan Al Shaqab x LC Ferrarit) - Clear
Vertigo CF (Versace x Bint Alianna) - Clear
Miyaz (Gazal Al Shaqab x Kaiynda Special) - Clear
Dana Dulane ( Baywatch V++ x Shannacey D) - Clear

Mares
GH Legend (Legacy Of Fame x Crem Dela Crem) - Clear
GH Falcon Femme (Falcon BHF x La Femme Versace) - Clear
GH Marwana (Marwan Al Shaqab x Verona RA) - Clear

3 Jan 2008 Posted by Crimson Farms on ABN-CA thread
MWF Aleksandria (Negatraz [*Bask x Negotka] x Algadina [Aladdinn x *Algoa]) N/N - Clear
Elia PASB (Eukaliptus [Bandos x Eunice] x Eulalia [Eufrat x Emilia]) N/C- CARRIER
08 Gazal x Elia Colt N/N - Clear

30 Dec 2008 by Hillsbrook Farm on ABN-CA thread
FLORENA PASB (Palas x Flotylla (El Paso)) N/N - Normal
CYMPHONY VF (*Bandos PASB x *Cynadra (Tryptyk)) N/N - Normal
BONNE CHERIE (*Bandos PASB x Bonfieree (*Bask)) N/N - Normal
JAYEL POLYPHONY (*Muscat x Jayel Pollyanna (*Rimmon)) N/CA - CARRIER

31 Dec 2008 by Judy81350 on ABN-CA thread
Addorra is Hope(Sir Topaz(*Muscat) x Faddjurs Angel(Nobilidi):N/N normal, not carrier
Khassandraa(AA Khabor(*Naborr) x Nisans Tiye(Nisans Mohr), N/N normal, not carrier
Magic Spirit(*Nelson(*Mag) x HM Moun Magic(Azor), N/N normal, not carrier

06 Jan 2009 by Moniethorse on sE-CA thread
KM BUGATTI - 05gs (Versace x Sanegors Lady D ) - N/N, Clear

06 Jan 2009 by Carol Cooper-Hall on sE-CA thread
RA Nadirah (Al Adeed Al Shaqab** x Alada Remembrance) - N/N, Clear; also scid clear.

06 Jan 2009 by Allison of Talaria (Talaria Farms) on sE-CA thread
Following stallions are CA and scid Clear:
BOTSWANA - 98bs (Thee Desparado x The Minuet)
S KHONCHERTO - 96bs (JK Amadeus x DW Khemette)
TF AFRIKHAN SHAH (standing in Belgium) - 03bs (BOTSWANA x ROHARA SHAHBLEE)
MADHIN NILE MOON - 05gs (FARID NILE MOON x IMPERIAL MAHREENA)
TF ROYAL SHAHBAZ - 06gs (Falcon BHF x TH Maya Naufali )
TF AFRIKAN ALKHEMI - 03bs (BOTSWANA x RAMSES NOVAGLORI)

14 Jan 2009 by Canadian Kristine,Rennex Arabians, on sE-CA thread
ES California Dreamin (Gazal Al Shaqab X AB Farenheit): N/N, Clear , also scid clear.

14 Jan 2009 by Tchaata, on sE-CA thread
MF ARYAN EL THESSA ( JD Chalice X Thessalya el Jamaal / Ali Jamaal ) : N/N, Clear

14 Jan 2009 by IDL Arabians on ABN-CA thread
ZENZATIONAL V (DESPERADO V x ZAHR ANN) - N/N - Normal
SW KHAMEO (SW KHLINT+ x WCA SATINEE) - N/N - Normal
RNX TRULY A DREAM ( GF FOREVER MAGIC+ x CHELSEA DREAM) - N/N - Normal
WWA CEARA GAZAL ( GAZAL AL SHAQAB x CEARA PJ) - N/N - Normal
Additions on 07 Feb 2009:
IDL Kayden 2008 colt (GF Forever Magic+ x WWA Ceara Gazal) Clear Parents
IDL Khryztal 2006 filly (Zenzational V x SW Khameo) Clear Parents

15 Jan 2009 by "cookie" / J.E. Holloway (UK) on AL-CA thread
Panndora (Vodofon Kossack (Balaton/Verba) x HS Pelagrina (Pilot/Pilarka)- N/N , Clear. Also SCID Clear.

17 Jan 2009 by NadiaKA, Kakaji Arabians ( originally posted 7 Jan 2009) on ABN-CA thread.
*Nefison (Mag x Nefisa by Salon): N/N - Normal
DYN Amber Myst (*Muscat x Modnitsa by Nabeg): N/N - Normal
Karenina kgi (Kilogramm SPA x SH MSana by Mpulse): N/N - Normal
Magadan kgi (*Nefison x DYN Amber Myst) N/N, Clear as parents are clear.
Nastasia kgi (*Nefison x Karenina kgi) N/N, Clear as parents are clear.

ADDITIONS TO KAKAJI ARABIANS AS OF 29 Jan 2009:
SF Nova (*Abdullahhh x Kirova by Namet): N/N - Normal
Tamerlynn (*Tamerlan x Trishia by *Procent): N/N - Normal
NM Rostalgia (RV Rostov x Namusca by *Nariadni): N/N - Normal

And therefore their offspring by *Nefison (already tested clear) are also clear:
Tatariya kgi (*Nefison x Tamerlynn)
Temujin kgi (*Nefison x Tamerlynn)
Riurik kgi (*Nefison x NM Rostalgia)
Prelusion kgi (*Nefison x NM Rostalgia)
Kievan kgi (*Nefison x SF Nova)
Kapteyn kgi (*Nefison x SF Nova)

17 Jan 2009 by Allanglos on ABN-CA thread
FC Casino Royale-99cs (Roll Of The Dice x PKH Shalane) - N/N = Normal

18 Jan 2009 by jcjia on ABH-CA thread
Marcelina BA (Marwan Al Shaqab x R Imagination) - CA - N/N, Clear, also SCID clear

19 Jan 2009 by Burgundy Oaks on ABN-CA thread
Mariankaa (*Muscat x Pattrianka by Marbask) Mariankaa's Pedigree. N/N - Normal:
Pirouett (Pending)(*Piaff x Mariankaa by *Muscat) Pirouett's Pedigree : N/N - Normal

23 Jan 2009 by Irene ( Flying A Ranch) on ABN Hot Topics
NV Beau Bey (Bey Shah+ x Bint Miss Fire) - CA - N/N, Clear
Black (NV Beau Bey x Black Silk) - CA - N/N, Clear
Borsalino Bey (*Borsalino K x Beau's Dancer by NV Beau Bey) - CA - N/N , Clear
Mystic Jamaal (*Soho Carol by Ali Jamaal x Alieka BR by Ali Jamaal)- N/N, Clear

26 Jan 2009 by DarkhHorseFarms (Lisa) on ABN Hot Topics
LL DARKH IMAGE (BC Classic Image x Velvet Darkness) - CA - N/N, Clear

26 Jan 2009 by Joy20 (Gretchen) on ABH Hot Topics
KOUVAY BAY 91bs (Bey Shah+ x BA Preciousmemory) - CA - N/N, Clear
[This is the sire of RGA KOURESS - N/CA, CARRIER]

29 Jan 2009 by darapark ( Maria D) on Global
Kublai Khan - CA - N/N, Clear, also SCID Clear
Om El Akid (imp USA) - CA - N/N, Clear; also SCID Clear.

2 Feb 2009 by Trina Gifford, GS Arrow Ranches, WA ( with permission)
PS Final Edition (Ptersk Shamin x SWL Mishkin) N/CA, CARRIER
SPA MZ Katrina (Poppov x SPA Bint Bonnie) N/CA, CARRIER
GS Yesha Miskin (PS Final Edition X SPA MZ Katrina) N/CA, CARRIER
GS Zaphina Aesha (PS Final Edition x SPA MZ Katrina) CA/CA, AFFECTED

4 Feb 2009 by Helga Madson ( Denmark) on sE.com
Ali Shah, stallion (Al Adeed Al Shaqab x Saida Bint Shahlia by Classic Shadwan / Ansata Shahlia). N/N, Clear

4 Feb 2009 by Kealia on ABN
*Celna - 91gm (Alegro x Cedula by Bandos) N/N, Clear

4 Feb 2009 by Fadtastic ( Kris in Tucson) on ABN
SH-Chelseas Gal - 90gm (SHA-Shaman+/ x Fiestas Samira by *GG Samir) N/CA, CARRIER ( deceased)

6 Feb 2009 by Tous Crins on sE.com
AL GHAZAL - 2002cs (The Renegade x Kirbys Shadow by Sahar El Pharoh) N/N, Clear
WWA ASIL BAHAR - 96gm (Century Shah x Dafina El Masr by Bo-Mars Legend) N/N, Clear

6 Feb 2009 by cate on sE.com:
AHANU - (Emiratus B x Jiwan) N/N, Clear, also scid clear by Dr Van Haeringen Laboratorium b.v. (date: 27/05/08 )

6 Feb 2009 by Kristine on ABN
GF Forever Magic+ (Magic Dream CAHR X GF Providence+) N/N, Clear

7 Feb 2009 by szedlisa with Permission by Linda McCabe on Global
ANGOPHORA - 81cm(*Eukaliptus x Belbowrie Baskana by *Bask) N/CA, CARRIER

14 Feb 2009 by ShannonC ( Sakinah Arabians) on Global & ABN
AMIR AMANTE(CBA243): N/N - Normal
ORIONS DEBUT(CBA248): N/N - Normal

14 Feb 2009 by Aurorawind (Joanne Ogdan) on ABN:
AABSOLUT (PRINCIP X AMARILLA PR BY MARYK), CA Clear, N/N; and scid clear.

14 Feb 2009 by Jen on ABN:
ML EXXODUS(CBA245): CA Clear, N/N; also scid clear.

16 Feb 2009 by Dahabi Arabians on ABN
AMIR SHAKLAN (CBA247) - 2005 grey Arabian stallion (Om El Shahmaan x Asdiqa Badeia) CA Clear N/N; scid clear

15 Feb 2009- Pam Thonsgard:Rice Creek Farm:
LA JARANA(CBA238): 1994 gm (AERIK x *SZ PARILLA By PEPETE): N/N -Clear
RV GLORIAADIOS(CBA239): 1995 cm (*KAR PEPET x SZED HERMOSA By *SZED PAYASO): N/N - Clear (Dam is a tested N/CA - Carrier)
MI ANGELITA ESPECIAL(CBA240):2005 cm (TOBASCCO x LA JARANA By AERIK): N/CA - CARRIER
Results 23 Feb 2009 -
VIVA ELEGANTE(CBA237):1991 gs (*LA SAGURO x *SZ PARILLA By PEPETE): INCONCLUSIVE
RIO BLANCO(CBA236): 1998 gs (VIVA ELEGANTE x TAFALITA By *GG SAMIR)INCONCLUSIVE
Inconclusives to be retested at a later date.

25 Feb 2009 by Emma Maxwell on ArabianLines
PREMIER - 1994cs(Monogramm - Premiera): N/N, Clear also scid cler
ADAWY - 2000 gs (Borneo - Ashiqa): N/N, Clear, also scid clear

Originally posted by Sirius

Hey, hang on a minute! What does this direct copy and paste quote from the Van Haerigen website description of the test I was about to pay for and label my horses actually mean??

"The genetic test for CA is not completely finished, as the specific mutation that causes the disease has not been found yet. However, a group of genetic DNA-markers next to the disease gene can be used as an indirect test. The CA test is based on a specific set of DNA-variation which is co-inherited with the disease. As a result, the indirect test predicts the status of the actual mutation.

"Because the genetic test for CA is not completely finished yet, additional pedigree information or samples from a parent may be required to complete a test."


I will go with proven science, but this hasn't been presented in a way that I can believe in.

Dom
Physicist.

Originally posted by szedlisa

Bonny (aka windy),

For a fully informative read on CA, go to the Cerebellar Abiotropy website posted below and do view the video-clips which show the clinical signs of affected CA foals/fillies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipnpQonib94

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj5RL3CmS34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj5RL3CmS34

Be sure to keep well posted with the latest updates on publically disclosed status at the Cerebellar abiotrophy website:
http://cerebellarabiotrophy.webs.com/http://cerebellarabiotrophy.webs.com/

A purebred arabian CA Carrier can pass forward the defecive mutated allele when bred to another breed of horse. So for your own peace ofmind, I suggest that you go ahead and test. I have found a part arabian by the name of Cymphony , 1999 bay mare (Europejczyk x Color Me Monogram) and a 1985 bay mare , purebred of the same name (KK Bravura x Cymbel). The first carries known ca carrier lines close up and the second has known carrier lines after the 4th and 5th generation. CA is an autosomal recessive and needs both parents to be carriers in order to produce an affected foal.

And just to point out the unexpected: What with ESTOPASAN, ECAHO, WH JUSTICE, MAGNUM PSYCHE, and now an affected foal by ML MOSTLY PADRON out of a GG SAMIR daughter, some very well known and popular breeding stock are being designated as CA Carriers.

Best to keep updated and test your own stock before breeding.

Lisa