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lisa rachel
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templars
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 Posted - 03 Nov 2010 : 08:43:11 AM
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Congratulations Kate! That should be a wonderful foal.
Gem: Gunner B is a super eventing sire and his stock are very highly sought so another wonderful breeding.
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katefox1812
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BabsR
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Posted - 03 Nov 2010 : 6:45:59 PM
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Yeah Kate.....what a super Anglo colt...if Tobago and Witches Broom get their act together and produce a boy!! So few Anglo stallions and a 50/50
is ideal, as all offspring, (even if mares are then
outcrossed to none Arab bloodlines) will still have 12.50% Arab and so, eligible for AHS registration
I am really excited by the prospect that Owners/Breeders are seriously considering infusing Arab blood into their competition Mares......they will not regret such a decision.....and who knows...British Anglo Arabs will be as much sought after as the French Anglos.
I also believe that as more Pure Arab Owners/riders go out there and promote the versatility and capability of Arabians....flying the flag in open competition, so more interest will be geared towards our performance Arabs, Anglos and Part Bred Arabs
We have recently been approached by a top AI centre regarding an Anglo colt who would make at least 16hh, to stand along with ten other stallions. Did have one but declined as we do not sell colts (gelded first)
The future looks good as obviously biased towards Anglos 
Babs
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Kunama
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BabsR
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 08:53:40 AM
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Thanks for that link Kunama....WOW some seriously nice performance Part Bred Arabian Sporthorses. It seems our Country is way behind in its appreciation to outcross Pure Arabians to good big TB/ Sporthorse
Mares, to produce a useful 16hh plus performance horse
Perhaps too much emphasis is placed on Anglos and Part Bred Arabs as Show Horses, the size tending to be 15hh - 15.2hh We ourselves like a super looking horse, capable of gracing the Showring, but they are also big performance bred in type.
Big Hunter Chaser Thoroughbred Mares (Grand National type) put back to performance bred Pure Arabian stallions = British Bred Anglo Arab capable of beating the best in the World, in any competitive discipline Same goes for using big Warmblood Mares to produce Part Bred Arabian Sporthorses but afraid I am a devotee of the pure bred Anglo Arab, as think, how many other breeds of horse are capable of galloping around Aintree`s Grand National huge fences??
There is always going to be a job for the smaller Anglo/Part Bred Arabs and catwalk pure bred Arabs, but methinks the Breeders of the future should focus more towards breeding the not only beautiful, but MUCH BIGGER types of Anglo and Part Bred Arabians....likewise I think, also BIGGER Pure Arabian Sporthorses
Sorry....but do feel too much emphasis on producing show ring models
without the necessary bone and substance to go on and do a job of work
Babs
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Hazel Cornes
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 12:36:01 PM
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I just wish some of the smaller (158cms & under) performance AA/PBA & Pure Bred Arab Stallions would grade with the SPSS as their blood is used in the European ponies. At the moment there are no SPSS Graded Pure Bred Arab Stallions and the SPSS welcome all breeds, the two previously Graded Pure Breds have since died - Ousbeck (Sire: Arzew Dam: Diardob) and White Kossak (Sire: White Lightning Dam: Faery Snow). There are a few AA & PBA Stallions which have passed the SPSS grading and are listed.
Congratulations to H Tobago.
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templars
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 1:06:04 PM
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Babs - definitely!!
We've been desperately looking for an Anglo 16.2+ but they just aren't there so that was the final push for us to get off our backsides and breed our own - hence 2 of our larger mares in foal to substantial TB stallions and then bring in an Anglo broodmare (15.2) AND breed a BIG TB so that hopefully in there we'll get the pure TB colt or pure Anglo colt that we so desperately need and then next generation, we can flex the mix to increase the size. We're in it for the long haul I reckon a couple of generations from now, we should have the right basic framework We can but dream |
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weirton
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 1:57:25 PM
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Well, I wish you all well in your endeavours to put GB on the map by breeding big sportshorses and hope you have great success, but it wouldn't do for us all to think the same so here goes I'll put my head above the parapet. Spare a thought for those of us who have suffered from being 5' nothing and 7 stone and with no aspirations to event at top level. There still is and always will be a place for a smaller but still robust enough quality horse for the young,small or simply riding club rider who wants to compete in all spheres without being over-horsed or bankrupt from feeding a bottomless pit.
This thread gives the impression that small is for showing and large is for doing but a well conformed horse with quality bone, capable of all disciplines, is possible in any size and measurement of height or bone are not sole criteria.
Everyone, regardless of ambitions, should have the chance to ride quality pure Anglo Arabs and although poison comes in little bottles, don't forget that diamonds come in little boxes.
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Mrs Vlacq
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 5:05:28 PM
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Rachelle.... you didn't look hard enough - we have 2 big AAs available!! lol
(Both of Tal's fillies by a smaller more compact stallion than her are taller than her, and she's no mini, so I hope she gives you what you pray for!)
The beauty of AA and pbas is there should be one out their to suit everybody - dressage ponies, WHPs, Hacks and Riding Horses, Hunters, Scopey event types and fast as fury endurance types too. |
    
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Cate
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 5:20:06 PM
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| Congratulations Kate, wonderful news for your boy and the Arabian breed. Lovely to see you posting again. |
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sab2
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 6:13:52 PM
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| Weirton couldnt agree more on the size thing, i open teamchased a 14hh pba years ago when the jumps were far larger than the pony if only i had him now. I for one love the slightly smaller horse as am only 5"4 so 14.2hh to 15.2hh is fine for me also they can do the same job as the larger ones. |
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honey
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lisa rachel
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LesleyA
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 7:26:19 PM
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| It's horses for courses!! Good things come in small packages!! A well bred horse with good limbs and temperament should be able to turn his hoof to any discipline. |
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BabsR
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 10:55:54 PM
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I too am not a fan of very big horses. A well conformed 16hh
is really big enough, even for a taller person and agree horses 17hh and over tend not to stay as sound as a smaller horse
Conformation also has a lot to do with soundness Well put together, deep girthed, with excellent limbs and feet and good heart room, being the most important factors!! However, try telling Joe Public that small is best, if selling a 15hh horse, when he is looking for an Eventer
Having for many years bred Anglos between 15hh and 16hh, I can say that always the taller ones are much more in demand, and do think the way forward is to breed bigger, if the Pure Arab, Anglo and Part Bred Arabs are to be seriously considered as potential competition horses, by the general equestrian public, who will never be convinced small is best!!
Horses for courses little or large, we just love them all
Babs
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kirsty
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 11:49:22 PM
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Great news kate, Tobago is a great sire and we are so pleased with our pba (who is almost anglo) by him he stands at 15.11/2 already and is a great chap
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saddlebred
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Posted - 05 Nov 2010 : 09:15:46 AM
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Welcome back Kate. Lovely to hear an update from the lush Tobago. Very excited about the Witches Broom cross.
Who was the palomino tobagoling? I think I missed that one - I bet it was very lovely indeed.
(sits and sighs - pondering a Tobago cross with a certain palomino saddlebred filly ) Note to self - you have already got too many horses - stop dreaming! |
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templars
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Posted - 05 Nov 2010 : 5:36:56 PM
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Sorry - didn't mean to upset anyone and I agree with you all - each to their own.
My comments were purely selfish - when I see Evie out eventing and as the fences get bigger and bigger, I'm just thankful that the horses she is riding have that extra couple of inches reach.
I didn't mean to imply at all that small is in anyway less than large and sorry if I gave that impression. Mine were the comments of an over anxious mother that's all.
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templars
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Posted - 05 Nov 2010 : 5:37:42 PM
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Sorry - didn't mean to upset anyone and I agree with you all - each to their own.
My comments were purely selfish - when I see Evie out eventing and as the fences get bigger and bigger, I'm just thankful that the horses she is riding have that extra couple of inches reach.
I didn't mean to imply at all that small is in anyway less than large and sorry if I gave that impression. Mine were the comments of an over anxious mother that's all.
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weirton
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Posted - 05 Nov 2010 : 5:49:44 PM
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Templars, You certainly didn't upset me, as you say, each to their own.
I'm too long in the tooth to get upset over something like that and you mustn't get too sensitive.
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sab2
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Posted - 05 Nov 2010 : 6:02:36 PM
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| Templars i dont think you have upset anyone, it would be a sad old world if we all loved the same type of horses, just think how many sad lonely unloved horses there would be if we all had one ideal horse. I just know that my little legs would not be of any use on a large horse, in fact i have proved this by trying to ride my 16.1hh Trakehner mare i have realised i am not going to be able to ride her as my legs hurt after 10 mins so now i have to decide what to do with her bless her.I know what you mean by the extra inches over fences they look so much smaller on a big horse |
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Hazel Cornes
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Posted - 05 Nov 2010 : 7:08:28 PM
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| Templars a very valid and alternative view point and with other posters' opinions it's making this topic very interesting. |
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