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Tahir
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Posted - 20 Apr 2010 :  4:43:06 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tahir to your friends list Send Tahir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sue, I don't own the filly, I'm just the guardian of her sire The filly has been very appropriately named by her lovely owner - 'Princess Almase' - Almase meaning Diamond in Arabic
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Mrs DJ
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Posted - 20 Apr 2010 :  7:44:30 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mrs DJ to your friends list Send Mrs DJ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My mare has also got two small patches of white hair, one one her shoulder and one to the rear of her belly.
I don't know if you would class these as 'spots' as such.
Do you want me to take some pics??

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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 21 Apr 2010 :  12:40:30 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Leaving you the other side of Firebird...more spots.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/firebird25

ABOUD has these simlar spots, scattered about. Anyone got a pic please.
Sue

Sue

Edited by - Rozy Rider on 22 Apr 2010 11:11:07 AM
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Kharidian
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Posted - 21 Apr 2010 :  11:08:09 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kharidian to your friends list Send Kharidian a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sue,
My chestnut gelding Kharidian (by Prince Sadik) has high white and white lower lip etc as does Kharidian's bay half-brother Red Gauntlet, also by Prince Sadik. Red also has a belly splash. Have a look in my recent post for photos taken at the weekend.

I also noticed at the weekend (now that he's losing his winter coat) that my H Tobago colt gelding (as of today!) has one small white patch of hair on his neck, under the mane. He only has average white socks on the hinds and a modest blaze but he does have a small white triangle on his lower lip (not on his passport/registration and I didn't notice it initially) so he is fitting the pattern.

Caryn

Kharidian (Prince Sadik x Khiri)........ Alkara Cassino (H Tobago x Rose Aboud)
aka "Roger".................................... aka "Chips"

The first image is from an original painting by Pat Shorto.

South-East Essex
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Lin123
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Posted - 21 Apr 2010 :  11:27:44 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lin123 to your friends list Send Lin123 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sue, Almost All came out with some white spots last year for the first time when he got his summer coat. Nothing to be seen when he got his winter coat but I'm going down on Sunday and shall be giving him a close once over! Watch this space......

Linda x
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Clutha
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Posted - 23 Apr 2010 :  1:01:19 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Clutha to your friends list Send Clutha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/clutha/06-12-08_1258.jpg(10 months old, hidden by wooly belly fluff)

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/clutha/Picture166.jpg aged 6 weeks, photo by Wayne of equineview photography

help please! can't get photos to come out

Pip

Edited by - Clutha on 23 Apr 2010 1:03:40 PM
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 23 Apr 2010 :  1:16:24 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message  Reply with Quote


Clutha, have sent you a PM.
Sue

Sue

Edited by - Rozy Rider on 23 Apr 2010 1:20:45 PM
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kcv1223
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Posted - 23 Apr 2010 :  1:25:50 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kcv1223 to your friends list Send kcv1223 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've got a couple of lovely shots of Aboud that show his spots well. I can't put them on at work though, I'll do it when I get home.


www.alkaraarabians.co.uk
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 24 Apr 2010 :  01:12:11 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Karen, cant wait...
Sue (I was there when you got Oscar's mother).

Sue
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MinHe
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 :  01:22:12 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MinHe to your friends list Send MinHe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by vjc

My old girl Tara has white spots randomly over her bay coat and when i checked out her pedigree (mainly crabbet) i was told her grandfather indian king was also marbled with white spots as he got older. Would love a picture of him in his later years to confirm this.


This sounds characteristic of 'birdcatcher' spots- which may or may not be linked to sabino. Certainly the markeing generally considered sabino are there at birth, whereas birdcatcher spots develop in later life.

It is likely that sabino originated in the Arabian breed or one of its ancestors, since all the other breeds with the same type of sabino have Arab ancestry...

Keren
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MinHe
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 :  01:23:43 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MinHe to your friends list Send MinHe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Lin123

Sue, Almost All came out with some white spots last year for the first time when he got his summer coat. Nothing to be seen when he got his winter coat but I'm going down on Sunday and shall be giving him a close once over! Watch this space......

Linda x


More birdcatcher spots, by the sound of it

Keren
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 :  11:28:16 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Keren, Thanks for the imput..Can you tell me where the info on Bird Catcher Spots comes from....please, very interesting.

Hi All,

Leaving the Indian King link, where there is a nice pic of him.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/indian+king

If you look at the Arabs identified as Sabino and those identified in the late 1800's above...you can't go back much further.. or you would be in the desert..So the sabino has been there since imports and records began.. (Mesaoud goes back to the year 1887).Not much time before this year, the pedigrees run out... So its was part of the breed.

Some of the other works on the imports from Poona, Constantine and the early remounts and imports by officers serving in the British Empire, in India, Palastine, Egypt etc.etc. and bringing horse back to GB with them or their wives bringing them back, all identifies Arabs and Barbs in those early days... although there does seem to be a fair degree of Grey and Bays in those horses. Many TB ( and other breeds) horses left these shores to go with the war effort, I guess some of these would have gone to the breeding programme for remounts out there and may have snook back into the British imports.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mesaoud
Quite a bit of info on this link for Mesaoud and a good pic...


( Just not forgetting there were no Greys in the Welsh Breed, until SAHARA was turned out with the Mountain Ponies. that only covers Grey)
Sue

Sue

Edited by - Rozy Rider on 26 Apr 2010 12:36:49 PM
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kcv1223
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 :  12:07:02 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kcv1223 to your friends list Send kcv1223 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Finally remembered my photobucket login! Here is Aboud in all his spotty glory - photo credits appear on the piccies so I hope it's OK







Karen


www.alkaraarabians.co.uk
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Clutha
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 :  12:15:05 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Clutha to your friends list Send Clutha a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Pip
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Clutha
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 :  12:19:05 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Clutha to your friends list Send Clutha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Sue!!

Belly pach under water mark, can just see the white marks on her lower lips. She has another patch the other side but a bit further forward, & a bigger one around her navel where all the tiny ones merge. She has much more roaning (robiano?) over the belly & backend now (from about girth area back), but is definately not going to go grey. Photo is by Wayne of Equine view.

Saw Firebird yesterday with all her lovely spots.

Pip
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Clutha
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Posted - 29 Apr 2010 :  10:04:49 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Clutha to your friends list Send Clutha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Got a picture of Mesaoud from an old stud book, bought it as a picture from a guy at the arab racing at Newbury a couple of years ago. says he had a white mark on his chin & a collection of white spots under his 'jowls'. Looking at the picture (which is a painting someone has done of him, very nice), he also seems to have several white spots low down on his left flank. Painting very precise so don't think they would have been put there without intent.

Pip
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 29 Apr 2010 :  11:35:31 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Karen, Thank You for the Pics of Aboud..thats what I saw..spots...
Clutha, Is it possible to copy it for a look/see.
Cheers
Sue

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mesaoud

Sue

Edited by - Rozy Rider on 30 Apr 2010 12:10:56 AM
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Clutha
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Posted - 29 Apr 2010 :  12:13:06 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Clutha to your friends list Send Clutha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'll take a photo of it, unless there is a way to load a pgf onto here then I could scan it which would be better resolution. Says which stud book at home, will load details on tonight. I also (from same date) have a picture/painting of Azrek & the description of Hadban, no sight/mention of white patches/spots on either so not from thoses lines.

Pip
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Emma B
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Posted - 30 Apr 2010 :  8:56:36 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Emma B to your friends list Send Emma B a Private Message  Reply with Quote
glad to see this post as my boy is having white spots appear he has a little one under his eye and more and more appearing on his body. he is also get very roany and has blonde and grey in his mane and tail



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alysongs
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Posted - 01 May 2010 :  10:19:35 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alysongs to your friends list Send alysongs a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Rozy Rider,
Really interesting topic and now after all these years I understand why Ginny has spots - has had many a vet puzzled! Ginny is out of Crystal Farosa by Crystal Magician so having checked back on her pedigree, Mesaoud is there!!




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alysongs
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Posted - 01 May 2010 :  10:48:00 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alysongs to your friends list Send alysongs a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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alysongs
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Posted - 01 May 2010 :  11:02:02 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alysongs to your friends list Send alysongs a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Third Time lucky hopefully!!!
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alysongs
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Posted - 01 May 2010 :  11:10:29 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alysongs to your friends list Send alysongs a Private Message  Reply with Quote


Sorry Everyone - New to this!!!
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 01 May 2010 :  9:37:47 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rozy Rider to your friends list Send Rozy Rider a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Welcome alysongs
I think we need to record these with spots.. somewhere.
Sue

Sue

Edited by - Rozy Rider on 02 May 2010 7:56:03 PM
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alysongs
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Posted - 02 May 2010 :  09:01:50 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alysongs to your friends list Send alysongs a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Silly me! - Ginny (Abingdons Silver Genesis)- is by Spirit of Silver - her mother was by Crystal Magician!!!
Alysongs
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