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Rozy Rider
Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 02:31:30 AM Just back from a lovely weekend at Cirencester Park..what a location. Well Done to the organising team, everyone really enjoyed themselves... few snaps. a few results. and good to see the sunshine on Sunday.
In the FEI 160k Haszar lead from the start, riding his own race, he looked amazing all day, we saw him go out of the venue at 6am and he looked exactly the same when we saw him come back in at tea time, with two loops to go.
Crewing in the FEI 90* for Linda Cross's Kizhi with Mel Davison up,this was Kizhi's first attempt at the FEI one star, she looked bright and went well all day, giving quick presentations and securing the second place in this fei step up class. At the finish, Mel said how delighted she was on how the vets shook her hand and congratulated her on her pass. Nikki Malcolm and Khartoum with a K , took the winners spot in this race ride, at one point there was just (5) mins between these two front runners, at times they were hitting the 18k - 20k mark, Nikki kicked on to widen the gap and take the prize. Caroline Bennetts and Zaha took the third place. Well Done folks.
Cheers Sue
FEI 160k (3 starters) David Yeoman & Haszar - 13.62. Clare Bruce -Abu Diba -13.62 Heather Whitely - Shabafabah 12.23
100kER - Denbigh Slate. Caroline Edwards - Oakways P G - 17.12 Karen Jones - Macadamia - 16.69 Lorna Kidson & P. Dreamboat -16.13 Emma Sharpe -Carot -14.09.
FEI 90k * (6 starter) Nikki Malcolm - Khartoum with a K 17.34? (Khairo/Dras Lass) Mel Davison & Kizhi - 16.47 (Khairouan/Sucha) Caroline Bennett - Zaha Jane James & Kalway Amanda May & S Al Bahrain.
130k over 2 days. Christine Yeoman & Mazri led throughout day 1 setting the pace as usuall, then went out at the start of Day 2 not quite right. Mark Weil & WFA Prophacy ??? Looking extreamly good all day... Mary Korn finshed. poss in 3rd position. Smiles all round for this team. Pam Jordan & Orial, was still in and looking good when we left for home(so Pam I hope you completed). Bit of guess work here.
80kER.Corinium. Hillary Cummings - Benzuga - 15.37 Sue Higgins & Another Rose -14.96 Rachel Rogerson - F B Chantanz Becky Cook - Indian Duke -14.36 all my results need conformation. Sue Higging's young mare, bred in Wales, but with some of the very best USA blood from the dam's side. Well done Sue she looked great.
Ken & Labib and Springvale Moonshine. Welcome back Ken & Val... Kiss for Kizhi. 2nd.FEI 90*.. Ling & Malc - multi tasking. Debret & Linda. Nazeeka. Fiona Hamilton & Gazal. Nikki & Khartoum with a K, crewing at B. Jane Tennant with Alex's Vlacq Sihr Kayal Rubicon taking a roll. Olwyn and Mahlakah Lorna Kidson & Madam Dynamite. Another Rose , Just over the line, with team. Heather Whiteley & Anglo - Shahfabah. placed in the 160k. Lesley List. Aberllwyds Another Rose & Sue. 2nd. 84k ER Corinium. Chiana & Frayya. Trail Riders
All results to be confirmed, and if anyone can update us on how Maurice is doing after I understand his horse came over backwards on him and he was shipped of to hospital.
We also heard, that one horse was dead overnight in the temporary stables and that someone or a horse had broken a leg. No more info.. Thanks Sue
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CeliaS
Posted - 18 Jul 2010 : 09:28:41 AM Hi Lisa For a minute I did have a 'cold sweat' moment when I thought we had a doppleganger logo but I see what you mean. It must be that great minds think alikelol
Having seen your website now, were you at last year's Crabbet show? I'll look out for you at this year's show to say hi.
Lots of events seem to be suffering this year as Cirencester badly needed entries, Ludlow has been reduced to one day from three. Our own Kentucky/Home International fundraiser events were very low on entries and it is tough on the organisers and volunteers do their best to make events a success.
Zawadi
Posted - 16 Jul 2010 : 10:40:26 PM To help me plan my 2010 season (what a waste of time that was - busy getting 3 horses fit to compete during Jan, but none rideable by the end of Feb!), I actually downloaded the EGB "Next Years Schedule" on 8th Oct 2009 (that's what I titled the excel file I pasted it into) - It has the Gower Gambol on 11th/12th Sept 2010, so though the printed schedule hadn't been printed until February, the ride was listed on that date prior to 8th October 09. Of course ride dates can be unilaterally changed at the Rides Fixtures Meeting in late October, to remove local clashes, but it appears the Gower remained on the date of the original ride proposal.
I hope that helps to explain the EGB ride dates process.
Chris.
Rozy Rider
Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 12:12:24 AM Hi, Just to clarify a point, the EGB schedule is put together late in the year, for the following year. As a member I received the 2010 competative schedule (printed handbook) early in 2010 (January I think) and the Gower Ride was/listed, along with all the other competitive rides for the 2010 year.
This schedule is available to anyone to buy, you dont have to be a fully paid up member to be able to buy one. Also, you dont have to be a member to access the first page of the EGB site, where this information is available. leaving the link...and if you look at the Rides, you will see that there is already a list of rides developing for next year (2011),(under Next Years Schedule). The ride organising committee meet late in the year to put together the ride schedule and then it goes to press and out to members soon after Christmas. So the Gower Ride must have already been in the system,to have been included in the print. http://www.endurancegb.co.uk/index.asp
Hope this helps in the future. Sue
Tomos
Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 11:08:24 PM I am not going to get involved in an on line debate about the Welsh Crabbet Show and Gower ride clash, I have written in reply to the extremely disappointing letter I've recieved from De Cymru's Vice Chair.
But I would like to make a few points clear for people who are reading this and haven't a clue what its about.
The Welsh Crabbet Show ran for the first time in 2009, I spent a great deal of time checking that it didn't clash with other events across all disciplines. Early in 2010 I booked the venue for ths year at which point there wasn't a Gower Ride scheduled in the EGB calender, I always check, before organising an event. I was made aware that a ride was being considered for the same date. Other posts have already said what happened next.
We only run one show a year so its not a big ask not to choose the same date of an existing event.
I'm afraid the ride will have an impact on both entries, If it was just a training or non competetive ride I would not be worried but as it is clearly becoming a much bigger event then it will have an impact, we have already lost our Handy Arab course designer and builder , and some entries, equally the Gower ride will lose entries, so we both lose out.
We just cannot afford to be competing against each other in these difficult economic times when every entry can make a difference to the organisers, and competitors can maybe afford one event a month but not two. A number of rides have already been cancelled this year because of a lack of entries.
As for the organiser, he seems a lovely young man, but maybe it would have been wise to have some more experienced people from the committee to assist him on his first venture.
It seems that both will go ahead and sadly people will have to make a choice if they have a Crabbet Arabian, its a damned shame that we couldn't have worked together on this one.
Sorry to have hijacked this thread further, well done everyone who competed and had a good time at Cirencester. Mandy
lisa rachel
Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 9:22:17 PM Oh Celia, I was joking, it is of course, a coincidence. I designed a logo for our equine clinic in 2005... basically a Welsh flag with a red Arab horse instead of a Dragon... when the new EGB Cymru logo came out we were all joking that De Cymru ahd nicked our logo! www.waleshorsevets.com .... our VERY out of date website to see our logo.... Cheers Lisa
CeliaS
Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 09:46:53 AM Hi Lisa Last year was a trial run to see if we could do a ride there and it was a training ride so would not have been in the National Schedule. Out of curiosity I am anxious to know what logo we have 'nicked' as I have designed the De Cymru logo from scratch and the only thing I can think of is the Red Dragon which we used on our early posters and newsletters which came with the newsletter person from Offa's Dyke to us and we were politely asked not to use it which we now don't. If our logo is the same as yours it must be an amazing coincidence
lisa rachel
Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 12:46:24 AM I can't find the Gower results on the egb Archive for last year, it only mentions 2010 or one in 1985! The reason I looked is I can't understand how we managed to let a competitive ride on Gower pass us by last year!!! We live close to Gower and were doing all the rides we could last year .... maybe it clashed with Barbary Castle? can't remember at all...!! I will check!! I am surprised that the likes of Ptolemaeus didn't compete though! Seriously though Celia, I am sorry that this has all got out of proportion I really am, I never wanted to upset anyone.The fact is though that I can think of quite a few horses who WILL be affected this time, our two included! Others are mentioned above. Nothing can be done now and we will all make our choices, as I said before, I wish the show and ride well and just we could do both !! Again I really am sorry if anyone has taken my comments the wrong way, I think De Cymru are doing a great job and have even forgiven them for nicking our clinic's logo Cheers Lisa
CeliaS
Posted - 11 Jul 2010 : 3:44:18 PM Dear Firstlady and Lisa Rachel I think it should also be noted that not a single Crabbet arabian came to last year's Gower ride which was held in August and did not clash at all with 2009 Crabbet Show. The horses that did come were TBs and TB crosses, a warmblood cross, some ponies, and some arabs (not Crabbet). Sorry to hijack Cirencester thread.
PS I enjoyed Cirencester, hope to be at Gower and also at the Crabbet Show, grooming for my friend as I did last year.
firstlady
Posted - 10 Jul 2010 : 12:43:29 PM Thanks Lisa and I wasn't 'having a go' as it is a brave thing to try and organise a ride and often the hard work does go unappreciated or taken for granted .... but it is a real shame that the dates weren't moved and that Mandy from the Crabbet show kept in touch with or informed that the dates weren't going to be changed I too will be at the Crabbet show and hopefully at Mynydd y Gaer sorry to hijack thread
lisa rachel
Posted - 09 Jul 2010 : 9:24:59 PM oh, I don't think that anyone was 'having a go' at the ride organiser as an individual, I certainly wasn't nor, I am certain was First Lady, that is not the sort of person she is. I think that ride organisers do a truly wonderful, underappreciated job. However I did email the organiser a few days ago, thanking him for putting on what I am sure will be a lovely and successful ride. I did point out the clash to him, very politely, as hopefully it can be avoided next year, if it is too late this year, I did also comment that I appreciated how difficult scheduling could be and did not want to give him a headache!! He has not replied to my email. As I understand it the reason that this has been a bit of an issue is that the show established itself on that date last year. When the show organiser realised the potential clash ... and she too rode endurance for years... she POLITELY pointed this out to egb De Cymru, who apparently were very helpful and she was left with the impression that they would change the date if possible and if not, they would let her know , she heard no more and assumed that the date had been changed. This in any case is what I had been led to believe. I was in fact about to put my entries in for Gower when I realised that the date had not, after all been changed. I am very far from being a 'show' person but this is a performance show and quite a number of the horses entered last year are, for their main career, endurance horses. I can think of about eight horses who will be affected by this clash, off the top of my head, not a huge number but significant for a new show, as most would enter 3 or 4 classes. To clarify, at least my position.... I am grateful to egb De Cymru for organising new rides this year which we will support. I would never be rude or discouraging to a ride organiser and appreciate their efforts. I am aware that, obviously, not everyone rides Arabs but the converse is that many people likely to compete at this show DO also ride endurance, this is the point. I just think it is a shame that it was not possible to avoid a clash and furthermore that the show organiser was not done the courtesy of being kept in the picture having , as far as I am aware, been given assurances that she would be told if a change was impossible.. As it stands, the show, and ride will lose entries which is a pity, though I hope everyone enjoys the day, whichever event they chose to support. Sorry this has gone off thread, see you at Mynydd y Gaer! Cheers Lisa
Stagborough
Posted - 09 Jul 2010 : 6:41:34 PM I hope the date of the Gower doesn't change as am hoping to do it as will miss Red Dragon due to being in Kentucky! Please remember that many of us don't only compete on Arabs. We are hoping to take an Arab to Gower, but also a part bred Welsh and a Connemara.
Ryu
Posted - 09 Jul 2010 : 1:26:52 PM It is a shame that these events clash. I for one won't be missing the Crabbet show However there is always Mynydd y Gaer on 15th August which is just outside Bridgend.
I think it wasn't a matter of "bad planning" but trying to fit it in around the Organiser's University exams, the fact that we are unable to use part of the route until after the end of August, the fact that the Welsh Festival of the Horse is the previous weekend, Tintern ride is the week after, Offa's Dyke have a training ride the week after that and the Red Dragon follows.... I think that he was always going to be in a no win situation other than to not put a ride on at all. Also please be aware that it is a brave thing to organise a ride when one is so young so please don't be too hard on him.
firstlady
Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 10:46:26 PM Hi Lisa yes that is such a shame and a also shows a bit of bad planning from De Cymru two excellent events on the same day and with the way other rides have been going all down on entries then the ride could potentialy be greatly affected
I have actually e-mailed ride organiser to ask if there was any possibility of changing the date of the ride as I'm sure they will be others with the same decision to make
For me there is only one Crabbet show but lots of rides to be had (maybe not too many in our neck of the woods though !!!!)
You (& Bryn )got to be there ...... and Harry and Sealy are the handy (& very handy ) arab experts
lisa rachel
Posted - 08 Jul 2010 : 10:38:06 AM Can't wait to see the new boy Debbie!! The Crabbet Show/ Gower clash is such a shame, they had a discussion in the spring and Mandy thought that they had agreed to change dates so I thought we could do both but that is not the case. There are no competitive rides on the Sat except the first part of the 100km day, which Harry wanted to do. The second part of this and all other rides are on the Sunday, clashing with the show Obviously I wanted to do the Gower ride with Bryn as well, but on the other hand how many performance Arab shows are there in Wales each year?? A real shame as last year lots of the horses at the show were also endurance horses (and racehorses) weren't they? Lots of people are going to have to give one or the other a miss. Also Harry designs the Handy Arab but also wanted to do the Gower Gambol.... v frusrating! Hope you are well and to see you soon! Cheers Lisa
firstlady
Posted - 04 Jul 2010 : 9:08:11 PM Hi Lisa the little man is fab,I'm totally smitten
yes noticed the Crabbet/Gower egb clash so looks like it could be busy weekend !!!!
lisa rachel
Posted - 02 Jul 2010 : 9:29:02 PM Thanks Debbie How is your new young man??? Have you seen that the Gower egb is clashing with the Crabbet show Thay did promise that they would change the date apparently but it hasn't changed cheers Lisa
firstlady
Posted - 01 Jul 2010 : 10:18:07 AM just caught up with this and wanted to say
congratulations to Hary and Sealy and Lol at Lisa having to do the cooking and washing up !!!!
mind you just a short hack for Lisa and Harry
Rozy Rider
Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 10:08:03 AM Thanks for adding the photographers link, AGC seem to have done a very good job, some lovely photo's on view there and for anyone who has never done Cirencester, some stunning pics of the site and park, the avenue to ride in, goes on for ever.. I know our horse owner bought all the 3 or 4 pics of Kizhi (p.8- orange bib.23) could not decide amoungst them, all lovely photos.He's a really nice chap, we chatted for ages, waiting for the horses to appear in the distance.
Helen, I think Roosters name was made up from the sire's name, don't know any more..V adeer. Pleased to see your doing well. Sue
lisa rachel
Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 01:49:34 AM
Originally posted by Helen Newton
That put me in my place didn't it? Just took a little of the shine off the day.
Helen and Rooster
Blimey Helen, I wouldn't let that bother you, I always feel ALL that matters is that you and your horse have a good day , which it sounds like you did !
(To be fair most of the organisers and officials are friendly and helpful.)
Hi Chris, sorry didn't get to talk much at the end, wanted to get Sealy reunited with Bryn and back on her tether so she could chill out ! Harry is fairly big for Sealy and we have always said she owes us absolutely nothing after Jordan so we probably won't do ERs. She absolutely LOVES endurance (apart from the vetting which she thinks is totally pointless , trotting only to turn round and trot back ... she just does NOT see the point which is why she pulls her famous faces at vettings).. but we will probably not go further than 80km CRs, which they both enjoy, but he is careful about the going and runs the bad bits as you know. It doesn't help that I seem to be the worlds least competitive person and Harry is not much better! How is the season going for you??
Cheers Lisa
Helen Newton
Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 8:59:51 PM Yes Saffy looked lovely (to anyone who doesn't know she is my El Carmaal's one and only living progeny). Good to see Val and Ken (if you pm me Sue I will tell you if you are right about who it was) Oh and I briefly met Rooster's breeder, Sue Smith and asked her why he was named Ley Lader (she couldn't remember), apparently his dam, Pacifica, was one of the Sheik's favourite mares.
Rozy Rider
Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 7:04:26 PM Hi Helen, And I bet I can name the person in one... Good job the Shropshire bloke was missing, he'd have done it on heartrate alone. and Did'nt Saffy look good..did you feel a little proud, that her in the first of my pics. Sue
Helen Newton
Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 10:26:28 AM Rooster (Ley Lader) and I did the whole 65k on our own except for the last 200 metres where the 3 leaders in the race ride overtook us and we got caught up in the racing finish That my excuse for the moderate speed and relatively high rate at the end We had a super time, the scenery was stunning and the organisation excellent, one of my favourite rides. The only downside was that I was made to feel about an inch high when I enquired out of interest about the placings and was told that I need not worry about staying for the presentation as I was at least 20 points behind the winner! That put me in my place didn't it? Just took a little of the shine off the day.
Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 2:52:19 PM I had a look at the PF equation & reckoned that speed has a bigger effect than pulse due to the multiplication factors. So you're better going quicker & having hr slightly higher than going very steady & trying for a really low HR. This was shown to work at berks downs 130km, where Sue got 3rd of a higher hr (found he had cracked heals at the end so it didn't drop like it had done in all the vet gates), because she'd had a very good speed. All depends on how much you trust my maths....
Anyone know who the photographer was please & if they have a website?
Ken & Labib and Springvale Moonshine. Welcome back Ken & Val...
Kiss for Kizhi. 2nd.FEI 90*..
Ling & Malc - multi tasking. 
Debret & Linda.
Nazeeka.
Fiona Hamilton & Gazal.
Nikki & Khartoum with a K, crewing at B.
Jane Tennant with Alex's Vlacq Sihr Kayal
Rubicon taking a roll.
Olwyn and Mahlakah
Lorna Kidson & Madam Dynamite.
Another Rose , Just over the line, with team.
Heather Whiteley & Anglo - Shahfabah. placed in the 160k.
Lesley List.
Aberllwyds Another Rose & Sue. 2nd. 84k ER Corinium.
Chiana & Frayya.
Trail Riders
lol
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We live close to Gower and were doing all the rides we could last year .... maybe it clashed with Barbary Castle? can't remember at all...!! I will check!! 
congratulations 
to Hary and Sealy and 
). Good to see Val and Ken
