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Cinnypony
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 Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 10:18:33 PM
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When I first got Cinny (the first chestnut in my signature pics)she had a ring of white round her tail and a few white hairs in her mane.
Each year there have been more white hairs in her mane and now its starting to look v stiking - any ideas what causes this? - pics below (sorry re pic of her in pyjamas)...
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Edited by - Cinnypony on 08 Apr 2012 10:21:27 PM
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george
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 12:07:26 PM
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 Don't know re causes but it looks lovely! |
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shah
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 12:17:57 PM
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| I think it's supposedly genetic in some arab lines. Will be very interested in hearing if anyone knows which lines as my brand new bay boy has white hairs too in mane and tail - will look decidedly odd in a few years time if they multiply. Didn't know I bought myself a coloured one!!! |
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Callisto
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 12:28:18 PM
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Our 21 bay gelding had a lot of white in his mane and tail when I bought him as a four year old, which is why his stable name is Harlequin. Interestingly as a foal he was described as chestnut/grey. He is in fact a bright bay. As a youngster he scrubbed his mane and tail out, and the white never grew back in his mane, but he still has white in the middle of his tail. As he has aged he has had an increasing number of grey hairs on his bottom, so we are wondering if given enough time he will go grey .
He is by Keffan (Fangold x Lola) out of Diamond Shadow (Bey Shadow x Zilda), so he is high percentage Crabbet and 100% OE breeding.
ETA Indian Gold, Mikeno and Bright Shadow all appear in Harley and Cousteau's pedigrees at a quick glance - don't know if that's the common factor? |
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Faracat
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 12:36:38 PM
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Are the white hairs at the top of the tail like a Rabicano? Your horse definately has the Sabino gene (jagged edges to the white leg markings) and Rabicano is thought to be linked to Sabino.
Rabicano tail marking.
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Callisto
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 12:47:32 PM
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My sister's chestnut gelding when we were kids had the same mane as Cinny, he was definitely Sabino, he was by Indian Flame II (Indian Magic x Nerinora) out of Fille d'Or (El Meluk x Pervanna), EL Meluk's sire was Mikeno so he seems to be a common factor (see my previous post).
ETA The white in Harley's tail is definitely not rabicano - it's inside the middle of the tail - only truely visible as it fans out.
Have just looked up Cinny - she doesn't have Mikeno, but she does have his sire Rissalix.... |
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LIV
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 12:59:04 PM
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Hi
My 4 year old gelding also has a strange colour to his mane and tail. He is often referred to as chestnut but is a bay with what looks like blonde highlights in his mane. We have had him tested for the silver gene but it was negative and others have suggested he is a wild bay but it doesn't really look like that either!
He is by Azteq (Borneo x Ashiqa) and out of Pjatakova (Balaton x Popova). Both parents are grey. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/phantom41
I will try to find a pic to post later. x |
     
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Pashon2001
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garnet
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 2:06:36 PM
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| Garnet was liver chestnut and when she was young her mane and tail were virtually black with a mix of pale chestnut and white hairs, particularly in her mane. I used to plait her with black thread and she was sometimes mistaken for a bay by the casual observer as her ear tips were dark, although not her legs, which were faintly zebra striped at some times of year. As she grew older her mane grew lighter and by the time she was doing veteran classes I was plaiting her with chestnut thread. In my sig pics she would have been around 10 and in my avatar pic she was 26 - her last summer, bless her, and she looked so well. She too goes back to Rissalix via Blue Domino. |
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garnet
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 2:10:22 PM
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| Forgot to say she is the first and third sig pic - the other PBA is Red who really is bay but has beige lower legs in winter! |
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Spangle
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Callisto
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 2:47:54 PM
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| LIV, your boy has Indian Magic, can't find Rissalix if that is the common factor, but you do have his dam Rissla... |
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Cinnypony
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 6:26:27 PM
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Firstly the reins in pic 1 are the plaited webbing blue things in the foreground 
Yes she has Rissalix as great-great-grandfather and Blue Domino as great-grandfather.
And here is the tail and there is a small ring of white at the top and a black tip. Again sorry about PJ's took pic when she was chilling out after ride.
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LIV
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 6:40:46 PM
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Phantom's crazy mane!!
This picture shows the colour in his tail too.
Callisto, this could well explain it. If enough people have this same colouring and it traces back to the same lines then could answer my questions! |
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Cinnypony
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Callisto
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 7:02:21 PM
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| LIV, that's a rather more extreme version of how Harley was as a 4 year old, although as I say he destroyed his mane (rubbed it out) when he was about 6 and it came back mostly dark with reddish streaks, no white. Phantom is rather beautiful wherever it comes from, the Rissla/Rissalix thing could be pure coincidence, but it does seem to be a common theme... |
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Cinnypony
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 7:09:04 PM
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Phantom and Cinny both have Naseem, Skowronek to Ibrahim.
Now checked Anoushka does as well, as does Cloughwood Gold Spangle and Cousteau... |
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Faracat
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 7:19:20 PM
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RE Liv's horse - Could the white hairs in the mane be an extension of 'Gulastra plume' the sabino related effect that causes grey tails on horses without the grey gene?
This horse is a good example of Gulastra Plume, he was advertised on AL but I never made a note of his breeding.
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Callisto
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 7:25:21 PM
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| Cinnypony, my two referred to above also have multiple links to Naseem and Skowronek.... |
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Callisto
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 7:34:36 PM
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The Rissalix lines go back to Rose of Sharon who was a chestnut, but appears to have an extremely pale mane in the old black and white photo on allbreeds
Rose of Sharon was Gulastra's great grand dam |
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LIV
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 7:47:58 PM
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Faracat, I love that horse. I've never heard of that before so going to google it! I've always thought it must have something to do with both his parents being grey but not sure now.
Cinny's mane is lovely and much more even than Phantom's.
Thanks for your lovely comments. He does rather stand out but now his mane has grown much longer the colours aren't as vivid as they were. His bridle path is growing out and there is a huge wedge of blonde either side at the moment.
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JuliaB
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 8:08:47 PM
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| Liv, I am sure we had Phantom tested for the sabino gene which proved negative. |
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Faracat
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 9:29:10 PM
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| JuliaB, as far as I'm aware, there is still only a test for Sabino1 and not for any other versions of Sabino. |
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Cinnypony
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Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 9:35:37 PM
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| Been doing some reading and you're right Faracat, they can only test for the sabino 1 gene, not anyother sabino genes and interestingly the sabino 1 gene does not occur in arabs.... |
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shah
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 07:44:43 AM
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Interesting. So we think it may lead back to the Rose of Sharon line? I've had one in that line before but he was grey (flea bitten). I wonder if Cousteau is going to end up like Phantom - very handsome
My lad also has splashes of white hairs on his body. Not many, just a couple, but they are not in the saddle region so I know they're not from any problems. Looks like someone has splashed him with some white paint! |
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kastell
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 12:33:56 PM
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| Just out of interest do they have white hairs in their coat as well? |
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