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Sasha Melia
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templars
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 Posted - 30 Aug 2006 : 9:11:16 PM
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Someone needs to check about Klinta Bashire - if he's the stallion that was with the Flowers then sadly he died of grass sickness just before Malvern.
If it's not the same stallion then my profuse apologies. |
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gu-ku-vi
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Posted - 30 Aug 2006 : 9:59:18 PM
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Donīt want to go into the rumor mill, but was told it was Klinta Sharif.
Gunni. |
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georgiauk
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Egbert
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Posted - 31 Aug 2006 : 01:21:18 AM
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Cate asked, "Is Kuhaylahajuz the same strain as Kehailet Ajuz, but just a different spelling?"
Yes, the Arabic is spelled phonetically for those in the West-ergo the variations in spelling. Aboud is a Koheilan Rodania or more technically a Koheilan Ajuz of the Ibn Rodan.
Am so hoping that it was not Klinta Bashir that expired from grass sickness. What a horrendous loss if it were true. When Hugh Segre prepared/conditioned him for the Crabbet Parade back in 2002-he was a stallion that could have given a Carmargue a run for the money in terms of beauty. He was simply awesome. One photo purportedly of him in the last year that was shown to me, was of a horse in poor if no condition whatsoever but he looked happy but not as glam as when Hugh had him. The problem is that when a stallion of that calibre is not kept in proper condition his athletic ability atrophies and it takes a substantial amount of work to get them back into proper form. But his pedigree really tells the story, doesn't it? |
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templars
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Posted - 31 Aug 2006 : 12:09:11 PM
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Flowers lost both their stallions and I'm ashamed to say I don't know their names. Thankfully their mares didn't contract the sickness. I know they're retaining a colt foal by one of their stallions.
Poor Pam was distraught at Malvern and I didn't like to enquire too deeply. |
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ma belle
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Posted - 31 Aug 2006 : 2:55:51 PM
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Photo by Eric Jones taken at the Crabbet Convention of Klinta Bashir (given to us as a present, not copied, from his breeder Gunilla Hamer!):
We also have with us here at Phoenix the 3 year old colt Klinta Sultan by Shabbaka (Silver Flame/Mona) ex Star Solitaire (Indian Reflection/Sapphire Star), owned and bred by Gunilla Hamer. We are taking him to the Crabbet Show this weekend 
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Egbert
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Posted - 31 Aug 2006 : 11:21:10 PM
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Ma Belle! Bless your heart! What a terrific picture! Thank you so much for sharing with us! How about a picture of Klinta Sultan???
Be sure to let us out here in the US know how you did over the weekend!!!
Oh my gracious! Just looked up Sultan's pedigree and he looks to be even more important than Bashir! Is he as beautiful? Will he be standing at stud?????? |
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Di Ellis
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Aug 2006 : 11:40:43 PM
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I have just spent an hour reading the thread here. It has been very interesting. I have found that by using bloodlines with Dargee in my breeding programme has helped me to get rid of the short stuffy necks spoken about and my El Sharluke stock have gone on and produced better and better foals. Shuhira (Shirar/Istashra) has proven to be my best brood mare e.g. Gunni's filly (Mead) and her full sister (Melissa) both by El Sharluke. A son, Manzavino, produced some really refined show stock before he was gelded and is now showjumping at Hickstead.
Debonicks has the other gelding who unfortunately had a very bad time before she found him. Melissa has been to Naresh (Prince Sadik/Rose of Bediya) and produced two totally different colts. One is grey and typically Archer breeding but very stylish; the other chestnut with lots of white and very flashy. Both are super movers and have "swan type" necks. Melissa has slightly less white than Mead. Mead was my favourite and won a lot of prizes for me following on from her dam who was 4th at Ascot the year her dam, Istashra, won the mare championship. I believe the Judge was from Australia. I have missed Mead but am glad that she went to Gunni because she is loved for her presence and movement which gives Gunni lots of pleasure. Let's hope that she now gives her a foal next year. Melissa can move just as well but is older and more matronly now and only shows off once in a while. Her latest son has been called Masadi as he reminded me of Kasadi when he was born and Kasadi was El Sharluke's half-brother. So you see there is someone now ready to continue both their bloodlines and has the qualities and presence passed to them by the great old stallion, Taqah and the special mares of Mrs. Calverts. I am proud to be able to continue what she started. I have always wanted to be able to use Prince Sadik and now have him and the lovely mare, Rose of Bediya, in my pedigree through Naresh. Masadi will I hope take El Sharluke's place as my future stallion. I hope to continue to breed 100% Crabbets that are good enough to compete against the show horses of today both in hand and under saddle and endurance etc. I have also been lucky to obtain a Plaister mare, Astarafah, who has given us a colt this year by Grecian Idyll. He is surprisingly very refined and typey given that she is a Hanif grand-daughter and very substantial. She and my daughter have been show-jumping until last year.
I believe that we are improving the pure Crabbet horses as they are much bigger and more refined than the original ones and because of their usually sweet temperaments make wonderful companions and riding horses. If Astarafah could get into my Mobile Home she would. Just like the desert horses at the door of their master's tent. She appears to understand everything I say to her.
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Egbert
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 12:21:59 AM
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| Ms. Ellis, could you share any pictures of your horses? They sound very good, indeed. The one thing that the Crabbets seem to have cornered the market with and perhaps it is a measure of the breeders acumen as well, is vastly superior legs and hooves compared to what is popular in today's show ring...in turn that seems to make their movement that much more superior....if this year's nationals are a measure! |
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georgiauk
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 04:55:45 AM
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| I thought Klinta Bashir was in Norwich with Mr & Mrs Dorsey??? |
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gu-ku-vi
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 07:41:32 AM
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As allways, I will be happy to show those mares from Diane I have.Right from the start I fell in love with them because of their personality and quality.
Egbert, may be you will think they are not in condition, as they are doing nothing exept being here making my days so happy and hopefully make me some nice foals, running the field in the daytime, being put to bed in the evening.
In Denamrk we have a word called "fieldbum" some people are of that meaning if a horse is not shown or ridden it is wasted, but I think the horse donīt mind living in the field together with others.
Here comes, I think pic. nr 100 of Marbon Mead
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And her halfsister Marbon Martini, Same father El Sharluke.
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And last a bad picture, but it shows the temperament of my lovely stallion, who can go in the field only with one tread between him and the mares, as he is so well mannered and easy that he never makes problems for me old woman.
The temperament of my horses is the most importent for me, and the legs. Iīm so lucky that they are pretty to.
Gunni.
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JanC
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 08:06:04 AM
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We were at Vicky Dorsey's Beeston Hall Stud last month and Klinta Bashir is very much alive and well, and as beautiful as ever. He is living out in the lovely parkland with a very select harem of 3 gorgeous grey girls - and very relaxed and happy.
On another subject...the photo of him at the Crabbet Convention with Hugh Segre has been copied from a magazine and is an absolute breach of copyright to put it up on the forum (absolutely no blame attached to Paula or Sean). The very least that should be done is a photo credit to the photographer whose image has been "stolen".
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Honeyb060674
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 09:09:37 AM
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Gunni you have some stunning horses (makng me a little jealous I can't have more!) As for 'fieldbums' I think they look in great condition and I shall be using that term for Honey from now on!  |
      
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Cate
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 09:16:39 AM
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| Oh Gunni! What lovely, lovely, horses you have....simply gorgeous, and wonderful movers too. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 09:39:25 AM
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Gunni,
They are simply wonderful mares and your stallion is a doll. For me they define ARABIAN HORSE...Well done and thank you so much for posting their pictures! |
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ma belle
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 09:53:46 AM
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| Plans are afoot with regards to Klinta Sultan standing at stud next year in the UK |
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Egbert
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 09:59:12 AM
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| Yippppeee! When do we get to see pictures??? Can't wait to hear all! |
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ma belle
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 10:02:55 AM
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I'll try to get some this weekend especially for you Egbert! He's a lovely horse with THE most wonderful, soft temperament
Michelle
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gu-ku-vi
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 10:04:30 AM
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Are we able to have hes SCID status too?
Gunni. |
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ma belle
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 10:06:41 AM
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He will be tested before being offered at stud
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Egbert
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 10:40:47 AM
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| Oh for heaven sakes! Just so long as he stands at stud! SCID is the least of one's worries with that pedigree and a wonderful temperament! With the SCID test we know how to avoid having a SCID baby...It is what we can't test for that is worrying. Ma Belle is taking the most sensible/responsible approach. Sultan is simply THE most exciting possibility currently in Arabdom! Am over the moon...Thank you, Ma Belle! |
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gu-ku-vi
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 10:46:18 AM
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Ok,but a little more open about this is importent, but if somebody dosnīt want to know it is off course their business.
Just close your eyes and go on!!!
I have five crabbets and four of them are SCID carriers, how do you think that happens?
Because people dont know!!!
And I am the bad person asking!!
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Lanabanana
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 11:00:10 AM
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| Rather an insensitive remark I think Egbert! Considering what poor Gunni has been through in recent months culminating in the death of her lovely foal only a few days ago I think it was a perfectly reasonable question. |
     
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Marie-Molly
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Posted - 01 Sep 2006 : 11:35:00 AM
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Too right you should know! When the outcome is sure death in the event of an affected foal, owner of mare who are carriers should make sure they are picking a SCID clear stallion!
Of course, if your mare is clear, then it is up to you to decide whether you want to overlook the SCID status of your favorite stallion if he has everything you are looking for. Although with so many stallion around the world, it surely is as easy picking one which is clear as well.
Gunni, good luck with resolving your SCID problem.
Interestingly, and completely beside the point, Maine Coon cat breeders now have a DNA test to check for a potential lethal defect in the breed, which caused cardiac malformation which almost often lead to the death of the cat before its first birthday. It works a bit like SCID, as a carrier mated to another carrier risk producing an affected kitten. They now can have their breeding cats tested and avoid disastrous matings. Isn't science & technology progress a marvellous thing?
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