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| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 14 Apr 2010 : 11:35:54 PM
Can anyone remember reference to any early Arabians ( or more recent) that are Chestnut and have random white spots. Any info or reference please.
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White Body Splashes, white Blazes + chin etc.etc. and legs. etc.etc.
Some of the early Arabains, especially chestnuts have recorded aditional white marking in the early stud books (Vol.II).
Someone has added sabino to the allbreeds for some arabs, with whole body colour ( Chestnuts) and with no body splashes, just white legs and face and under chin markings. Is this really Sabino...or do they need to have body markings/splashes too, to be Sabino.???
I'd also like to have any info of Chestnuts with white body splashes, please.
Especially any that run in breeding lines.( from the early lines).
Thanks Very Much in advance.. Interesting subject.
Clutha love your colt. ( I have a 3/4 TB Chestnut & White mare).
Cheers Sue |
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| kassha |
Posted - 28 Oct 2010 : 3:05:33 PM
Thank you we think he's pretty special too.Can't believe the years have gone by so quickly,just hope we have him for many more yet.The dam of Kismet is A.K.Kastana who is also dam of Crusader but also passed on a fair amount of white.The dam of the colt is Atmosfera who is by Fadlak out of Kapraslina who is also by Kapron.Atmosfera is 21 now.She has quite a lot of grey hair in her coat so I suppose this foal has had the "white" from both sides.She has had five foals and has earned her retirement. |
| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 28 Oct 2010 : 11:03:58 AM
Nice chestnut horse Kismet, leaving the all breeds link as there are quite a few pics in the brreding to look at. Remind me of the dams line, of your new foal.. to see if anytghing rinds bells for white splashes..etc.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/kismet9
Sue |
| kassha |
Posted - 28 Oct 2010 : 10:49:55 AM
We have a foal this year with a splash on his near side also a large splash on the front flat surface of both hocks a large white blaze ,lip etc.He is by Kismet (Kapron/A.K.Kastana) out of Atmosfera(Fadlak/Kapraslina) |
| Pop |
Posted - 16 Jul 2010 : 09:02:46 AM
Thanks very much :) |
| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 15 Jul 2010 : 4:36:17 PM
Sorry I cant answer your question. I guess the spots came from the sire's side...as many of the ponies on the dams side are coming up GREY.
Also, look at C C Berwynfa... and go back to Dyoll Starlight as there is quite a few Arabians creaping in there..SAHARA (at least twice) and the Crawshaw Arabian..so your horse has more than Welsh in his Welsh breeding.. DYOLL ( is Lloyd spelt backwards). Has some of the earliest Arabains turned out with the Welsh ponies gooing back to the 1840's.
Sue
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| Pop |
Posted - 15 Jul 2010 : 10:19:54 AM
'H' has developed 4 more spots this year, and they are bigger than the first 2. Does that happen or might it be something else? She has the white patch on lower lip, she 50% arab - http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/nivsrych+crystal+ballerina
Is it normal to develop more spots? |
| Clutha |
Posted - 11 Jul 2010 : 12:50:34 PM
Anyone else seen latest Crabbet Journal? Page 25, Fenwick Stud (Austrailia) have 2 sabiano foals for sale, Fenwick Prince (Fenwick Orion x Meadowview) & Fenwick Brilliant Diamond(Fenwick Silver Spur x Fenwick Brilliance). Also lovely photo of sabiano on p6, Dona Zorina (Don Cesar x Zephirine) at New Albion Stud, USA. |
| jackiedo |
Posted - 31 May 2010 : 09:41:36 AM
in the 1970's I bred a Sabino colt by Rapier 111 (Gerwazy x Blue Raffia (by Blue Domino. Dam was a Chestnut PBA (ArabxThoroughbedxWelsh) who was from Palomino breeding |
| MinHe |
Posted - 28 May 2010 : 9:49:45 PM
The info I have on birdcatcher spots did not come from a single source, it's stuff I've learned from various people (and own observations) over the years. I have a good friend who is a highly regarded amateur equine colour genetic researcher, and she usually gets hold of everything published by academics in the field. The best single book on the subject is 'Equine Color Genetics' by Dr Philip Sponenberg - it's not an easy read, but it *is* a good summary of the subject.
Keren |
| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 21 May 2010 : 2:07:53 PM
FIREBIRD get top prize at the Golden Horseshoe this week in 100mile class.
Sue |
| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 19 May 2010 : 4:03:58 PM
Leave me a PM if I can help post your pic for you..Would like to see them.
I saw Firebird yesterday at the Golden Horseshore, I think he's finished in the big class, in the top three although just waiting to see the results. Just got the one. pic...
Sue |
| natntaz |
Posted - 17 May 2010 : 08:08:06 AM
My gelding Taroub, Spearmint and Tamira has a round splash under his belly and has high white on three legs quite unusual marking on one of those legs. Quite big white blaze and sure he has it on lower lip to. I would post pic but i still can never work out how 
I also have a H Tobago filly who doesnt have much white, just a
very pretty white blaze and one leg
They are both bred along some same lines, he has lots of white but
they are both very similar when together. |
| Anjuli |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 6:31:13 PM
Hi Sue,
no, I'm in Germany.
Nobless is German, Khars Spash of Klass (California) came oevr here 2 years ago und Siobhaan (Colorado) will follow October this year. |
| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 3:26:33 PM
Thanks for sharing with us...Anj are you in the US.
Leaving the sire of your Black/coloured Arabian foal....
Still all very interesting... I think some of this breeding goes back to Ben Rabba...need to go and have a look.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/saba+mashaali
And latest on Firebird..I see he is entered for the Golden Horseshoe in the 160km Class,(over 2 days).
Cheers Sue. |
| Anjuli |
Posted - 02 May 2010 : 4:59:58 PM
My purebred sabino-mares
PA Nobless (9, Psyches Ambassador x Menah II by Kubinec)
chestnut, 4 stockings, bellyspots, huge blaze
Khars Splash Of Klass (5, Khartoon Khlassic x Sundae At Tiffani by Danshab) darkbay, 1 stocking up to her body, large bellyspots and blaze
and my newest edition:
Siobhaan (2 months, Saba Mashaali x WS Night silk)
true black with roaning and many many spotts
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| alysongs |
Posted - 02 May 2010 : 09:01:50 AM
Silly me! - Ginny (Abingdons Silver Genesis)- is by Spirit of Silver - her mother was by Crystal Magician!!!
Alysongs |
| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 01 May 2010 : 9:37:47 PM
Welcome alysongs
I think we need to record these with spots.. somewhere.
Sue |
| alysongs |
Posted - 01 May 2010 : 11:10:29 AM
Sorry Everyone - New to this!!! |
| alysongs |
Posted - 01 May 2010 : 11:02:02 AM
Third Time lucky hopefully!!!
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| alysongs |
Posted - 01 May 2010 : 10:48:00 AM
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| alysongs |
Posted - 01 May 2010 : 10:19:35 AM
Hi Rozy Rider,
Really interesting topic and now after all these years I understand why Ginny has spots - has had many a vet puzzled! Ginny is out of Crystal Farosa by Crystal Magician so having checked back on her pedigree, Mesaoud is there!!
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| Emma B |
Posted - 30 Apr 2010 : 8:56:36 PM
glad to see this post as my boy is having white spots appear he has a little one under his eye and more and more appearing on his body. he is also get very roany and has blonde and grey in his mane and tail |
| Clutha |
Posted - 29 Apr 2010 : 12:13:06 PM
I'll take a photo of it, unless there is a way to load a pgf onto here then I could scan it which would be better resolution. Says which stud book at home, will load details on tonight. I also (from same date) have a picture/painting of Azrek & the description of Hadban, no sight/mention of white patches/spots on either so not from thoses lines. |
| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 29 Apr 2010 : 11:35:31 AM
Karen, Thank You for the Pics of Aboud..thats what I saw..spots...
Clutha, Is it possible to copy it for a look/see.
Cheers
Sue
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mesaoud |
| Clutha |
Posted - 29 Apr 2010 : 10:04:49 AM
Got a picture of Mesaoud from an old stud book, bought it as a picture from a guy at the arab racing at Newbury a couple of years ago. says he had a white mark on his chin & a collection of white spots under his 'jowls'. Looking at the picture (which is a painting someone has done of him, very nice), he also seems to have several white spots low down on his left flank. Painting very precise so don't think they would have been put there without intent. |
