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sab2
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 Posted - 25 Jul 2015 : 7:15:21 PM
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Some of you may remember Asbo from 4 yrs ago, he was a mini shettie i bred who was very ill as a foal. Well i sold him with his mum as a foal at foot . Anyway last week i bought him back, he had ended up at a yard near to me with no passport and they intended to sell him on so hes home. Hes not been gelded and i don,t know his history for the last couple of years but sadly hes quite lean and box walking in the stable and when you put him out he just canters up and down the fence poor lad. Has anybody any ideas how i can amuse him both inside and out, hes got a treat ball , turnips, fibre blocks, balls, picked grass as he will not eat hay and feeding him fibre based feeds with a vit/min supp as hes very lean. I have him booked in to be gelded on the 4th Aug, would never normally geld in summer but hes in a state so sooner its done the better and i will just smoother him in fly cream when out of the box. I feel he needs a pal but as hes still a stallion still i cannot put him out with the girls . Anybody got any ideas on how to amuse him please .
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glo
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Posted - 25 Jul 2015 : 7:28:35 PM
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Could you put him out in a small fenced of bit so he can see the girls but not get to them, or if you know when your girls are in season, your could turn him out with one that is not in season and rotate them. I have done this with one of my stallions, it works really well, you just have to keep a eye on the girls.
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Ari
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Posted - 25 Jul 2015 : 7:41:22 PM
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| You are doing the right thing roll on 4th August. I know this sounds harsh but keep him hungry so even hay is welcome and in a small holed net may keep him occupied poor lad. Other than that walking in hand to eat grass, if tummy full he may settle. For when he his gelded research neem oil. Ari rubs his face with midges and flies have a feast, however not with neem oil and his hair is growing back. It is safe for open wounds. |
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sab2
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Posted - 25 Jul 2015 : 9:33:52 PM
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I have let him have a chat to my sec B stallion today which he seemed to enjoy but would not dare put them in together but at least they can squeal over the door at each other. I wonder if i could maybe build a pen in front of his stable so they can chat to each other without being together. Sadly my ladies would eat him alive i think, and as hes so small hes just the right height to be kicked. Electric tape dosen,t work with him either, even when hes out and they are near he runs up and down , i think he must of been running with others and now hes alone hes stressed. I recently bought some Ekoneem so i will give that a go, also found the Power phaser is great at flies so will stock up on that for around the area. He looks so stressed pacing up and down bless him, it dosen,t help that the ladies have all come into season with him shouting and yelling on , horses why do we have them. I would of had him gelded sooner but the vets cannot do him till 4th aug so counting down the days. Rhankyou for replies  |
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Goldenmane
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Posted - 26 Jul 2015 : 10:33:26 AM
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Such good advice on here. I've sometimes found a double zig zag of electric fence works just for a small space. At least he has other horses around to talk to,and you are doing everything you can. Lucky boy to have you and all his treats! |
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Pasch
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Posted - 26 Jul 2015 : 2:41:20 PM
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First of all well done you for getting him back.I think the idea of building a pen in front of stable is a good one if he and your other stallion like each other's company.Can you not spend some time teaching him something? (trying to think what a mini shetland can do)
4th of August is only a few days away,consider though he will probably act like a stallion for a while after that.I agree with Ari about keeping him a bit hungry so he starts to like hay.Once he's gelded could you get him a same sized mare? |
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Ziadomira
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England
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Posted - 26 Jul 2015 : 3:46:18 PM
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| Some people use mirrors, have never used them myself but apparently they let a horse/pony think they have a companion. Mirror would have to be a plastic one so it would not break if touched too hard. |
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Misshana
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England
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Posted - 26 Jul 2015 : 5:32:13 PM
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| I put horse mirror in stable when my boy had to be stabled after tendon injury. He loved it. Used to whinny to his friend lol . But my sisters mare attacked her mirror so I think it depends on temperament |
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Callisto
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Posted - 27 Jul 2015 : 08:08:13 AM
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We have a welshie on box rest with laminitis at the moment, he has a treat ball with high fibre pellets, a small holed hay net, and we cut him leafy twigs (birch, beech and hazel) to chew on. Also had a radio tuned to radio 3 in his stable. He has adapted well. However his cousin the yellow pony has thrown a splint and was also sentenced to 2 weeks box rest, none of these things particularly worked for him, he has become increasingly hysterical at being shut in, spending the day battering his stable door with bad leg. Once he was let out into the stable yard he calmed down a lot. So if you can sort him out a secure pen outside his stable where he can see someone else it might well help a lot. Also what about a magnesium calmer?
One week into his box rest the Yellow pony is now penned into the top of his field with Lily - his separation anxiety in being kept from her is a bit extreme, she of course doesn't care much at all  , but I couldn't see how repeatedly striking the stable door was helping his splint... |
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sab2
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Posted - 27 Jul 2015 : 10:48:02 AM
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| I have to say yesterday morning was vey bad and my OH stood watching him and said he looks like he has gone mad, i went and bought all different types of hay and have put them up in his stable just in case he prefers one to another, also trying different fibre blocks and he has likkets hanging from the beams to try to amuse him. Still picking grass which he is enjoying the most , mirror didn,t work as he didn,t like the look of himself . I hadn,t thought about picking some branches , we have a small wood so will go foraging to see what i can get him. Going to pop to feed shop and get some calmer i think as yesterday after he had hit his head a few time i was thinking about calling it a day with him he was so upset and harming himself. Today he seem a tiny bit happier thank goodness . very upsetting watching hi poor lad . He also has something going on with his back leg, he had been penned in a small pen for a few weeks when i picked him up so wasn,t walking right but he is now looking a little bit more mobile and not running on 3 legs anymore which is how he came out of the pen. Have aslo found out hes been running with mares in the last year , why the f**k would you want to breed shettie s with no passports , bloody stupid man , makes me so mad, just because they have a womb or balls dose not mean you have to use them for breeding. Sorry just so annoyed hes ended up in such a mess. |
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 27 Jul 2015 : 12:03:02 PM
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Poor little man, so sad for him. At least he will soon have the chop although it will be several weeks before the hormones go but at least you will be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
I have 2 stallions stabled next to each other and one night they kicked a hole in the stable wall through to each other; really scarey but they were not too bad, a bit squeally and I needed to get strong wood the mend the stables, so I left them while I went to the store. When I got back they were sniffing noses and seemed OK. I put them out as usual and mended the stables and when I got them back in that evening they demolished my handiwork and every time I mended the hole they opened it up again. I have now left it and they are friends (although I wouldn't put them out together just in case) so you might find he is OK with your Section B.
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Ziadomira
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Posted - 27 Jul 2015 : 3:08:25 PM
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| A serious word of caution. DO NOT put stallions together. Incident near us where people broke in and got one stallion out of his stable and the other stallion broke out of his box and ended up killing the first. It may be OK if they have always lived together but this was really awful. |
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Kharidian
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Posted - 28 Jul 2015 : 08:04:07 AM
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Fantastic advice already, I hope the poor boy settles.
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Kharidian (Prince Sadik x Khiri)........ Alkara Cassino (H Tobago x Rose Aboud)
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 28 Jul 2015 : 09:40:17 AM
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| Ziadomira, yes these things happen and stallions can be VERY aggressive to each other so wise words. Breeding stallions are obviously more fired by testosterone. My stallions have lived next to each other for years and see each other over their doors every night but I do always shut the top doors when I am leading any of them in or out as they are quite large and I only weigh 7 stone so better safe than sorry; I couldn't hold them if they really decided to have a go and it would be a complete disaster if they broke out. However, if the two little ones seem OK and the stable is very strong they may be OK under close supervision if that is possible. |
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sab2
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Posted - 28 Jul 2015 : 11:26:56 AM
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| I am very lucky in that my sec B boy is a poppet , he will go out with our Donkey gelding and graze, a child can handle him and go into box etc and he will happily travel with a mare of course not when in season as they are beside each other.I have been letting Asbo chat to him over the door and Panther has been giving him a friendly lick to say hello. He seems a bit more settled and the branches are working well as hes munching on the odd leaf but also i have tied them in the middle so instead of walking backwards and forwards at the front hes now walking round them so slower and less wear and tear on him. Still not eating hay but is eating picked grass, grass nuts , sugar beet, graze on and i have added some balancer . I don,t think hes dropped any weight since yesterday but its hard to tell when you are looking at them all the time. Roll on next tue for gelding them maybe 6 weeks after that he will of settled . On the subject of mixing stallions there was a video of a big stud abroard, i think they were Welsh cob type stallions and after breeding season they were all turned out together to graze, very interesting to watch it and see how they sorted themselves out , i may be on you tube if anybody can find it. |
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 28 Jul 2015 : 6:11:19 PM
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Black Smoke Arabians have all their boys, co;ts and stallions, running together; lots and lots of them. There are also a lot of stud in America that have their stallions together out of the breeding season.
Hans Nagel's stallion barn has neck high partitions between the stallions and they can touch each other over them even during the breeding season. Many stallions are fine with that but I would worry that they might rear up and get a leg caught.
My two love to interact through the hole in the wall. They have the odd squeal; if I am there I shout "Pack it in" and they do. They are not aggressive towards each other. |
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sab2
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Posted - 29 Jul 2015 : 12:03:49 PM
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| Barbara i think its lovely that yours can interact with each other , so many stallions lead such a solitary life . |
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 30 Jul 2015 : 4:07:28 PM
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Sab, the ones that distress me are the ones who have no turnout or just a small sand school. Getting their heads down to graze and chill out is vital to keep them happy. I was really worried when they kicked through the double stable wall but they are fine and really enjoy their squeals at each other. When I shout "pack it in" they know I am referring to them and stop squealing and sniff noses to tell me "Look, we are really good friends, Mum"!  |
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