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debs
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Posted - 25 Aug 2016 :  1:07:01 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add debs to your friends list Send debs a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ah sorry, I thought people hid them for her then returned them!
Does she still have Arabs?

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sab2
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Edgevale I have just sat and read through the updates you have done on page one of this post. It's hard to believe so many horses have suffered in the hands of that piece of scum who in my opinion dose not deserve to breath the same air as the rest of us. Thankyou so much for keeping us all up to date on this, truly heartbreaking for you and all the other owners and breeders involved. I hope and pray one day the karma fairy catches up with her and she gets what she deserves.
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Libby Frost
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Originally posted by sab2

Edgevale I have just sat and read through the updates you have done on page one of this post. It's hard to believe so many horses have suffered in the hands of that piece of scum who in my opinion dose not deserve to breath the same air as the rest of us. Thankyou so much for keeping us all up to date on this, truly heartbreaking for you and all the other owners and breeders involved. I hope and pray one day the karma fairy catches up with her and she gets what she deserves.


SO DO WE

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debs
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Posted - 29 Aug 2016 :  9:42:41 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add debs to your friends list Send debs a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And me!

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paul_exe
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I would love to be there & watch them squirm with self hatred, but alas I suspect not one tear has been shed from any of that satanic family . I truly pity the horses they have in their care now for I fear a leopard never changes its spots & I doubt these are being looked after any better than the others who have been unfortunate to have ended up with those demons



Get over yourself: You breathe, you fart, what makes you different?

Gloriously Sunny Devon
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Edgevale
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Posted - 30 Aug 2016 :  07:16:12 AM  Show Profile  Send Edgevale an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add Edgevale to your friends list Send Edgevale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks all for your support on this and please share the link where ever you can
Its worrying to think that all the missing ones are either dead or back with the peels
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DianaSC
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Posted - 30 Aug 2016 :  1:38:04 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DianaSC to your friends list Send DianaSC a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Edgevale, do you know if Nick Craven, Melissa Kite and Nigel Bunyan of The Mail on Sunday who investigated this case are aware of this thread? I suppose it's "old news" for them now but they might still be interested if they're not already aware.

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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 30 Aug 2016 :  1:46:09 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barbara.gregory to your friends list Send barbara.gregory a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by DianaSC

Edgevale, do you know if Nick Craven, Melissa Kite and Nigel Bunyan of The Mail on Sunday who investigated this case are aware of this thread? I suppose it's "old news" for them now but they might still be interested if they're not already aware.




Worth tipping them off and telling them that it is ongoing and the list still has a long way to go and lots of further details to emerge.

I will be writing up my court case as soon as I get time; just been a manic few months and still a lot to do but hopefully in a few weeks I will have time to go through all the court papers and the preceeding emails with the peel woman; like the others there were cheques sent (never arrived), bank transfers (not done) etc.

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debs
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Posted - 30 Aug 2016 :  3:54:14 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add debs to your friends list Send debs a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The DM are aware. Hopefully something will come of it! Maybe they need a nudge :)

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pinkvboots
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The last horse listed on the first page Vladimir H was a half sibling of a mare my sister and I had they had the same sire, I contacted Rachel through here to tell her I had Grace just because they were so closely related and looked very similar, she messaged me back showing an interest to loan her for breeding, my god am I glad I didn't go down that route, we owned her for 6 years she retired last year because of an injury unfortunately we lost her to laminitis last summer:(

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Edgevale
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Posted - 31 Aug 2016 :  4:58:11 PM  Show Profile  Send Edgevale an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add Edgevale to your friends list Send Edgevale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Another lucky escape for Grace Pinkvboots
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Edgevale
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 :  1:28:54 PM  Show Profile  Send Edgevale an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add Edgevale to your friends list Send Edgevale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
:-) nice try love
where there is a will there IS a way


Edited by - Edgevale on 01 Sep 2016 5:00:20 PM
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Edgevale
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Sorry folks there is a technical hitch and I am unable to edit the original post so temporarily I'll do it here


REF No 2
Vlacq Tinwe - Sparky in the lime light




REF No 5
Harley at Myerscough College early 2013 just weeks before the rsca went in







REF No 57 ALILEO - Leo
Message body
I suspect the date he died was sept 2012, but it could have been as early as march 2011.
this runs to 14 pages of emails often repeating itself and giving the peel bitch every opportunity to make any amends, the fact it was so hotly contested confirms to me , in hindsight, his death.


From: Pat Wallwork <patwallwork@yahoo.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:28:22 +0100 (BST)

To: Tracey Phizacklea<registrar@arabhorsesociety.org>; foals@arabhorsesociety.org<foals@arabhorsesociety.org>; teamtemplars@gmail.com<teamtemplars@gmail.com>; teamtemplars@gmail.co.uk<teamtemplars@gmail.co.uk>
ReplyTo: Pat Wallwork <patwallwork@yahoo.co.uk>

Subject: ALILEO PURE BRED ARAB

FAO RELEVANT REGISTRATION SECRETARY

ALILEO ( ALI SHAMAAL X CAS ROSAROMA) 2008 grey colt.

I received a text from Rachelle Newman of Templars Stud who bought ALILEO as a foal at foot and took him with his dam, who was later returned to me. I had not pulled his hair for DNA at the time I sent in his covering certificate duly completed with his markings, together with the full fee for registration as a COLT.

I had been physically incapacitated and unable to handle this colt at that time.

Rachelle knew she had to pull a hair sample to forward to yourselves to complete his registration.and was advised by myself to do this while he was confined in the trailer used to transport him to his new home. He is now 4 years old and this is the text I received from Rachelle Newman on 18th June 2012.

"""Pat,we've been trying to get ALILEO DNA tested. The first attempt came back as inconclusive and we have just been informed by the AHS that he has failed the second parentage test and so cannot be registered. The results are showing that ALI SHAMAAL was not his sire,. There is also a question about CAS ROSAROMA being his dam according to the DNA. both of which have failed, we won't be trying a third time. Rachelle.""""

Obviously I cannot vouch for any contamination to the samples forwarded to yourselves by Rachelle, but as a very experienced breeder I would not have expected her to make any fundamental mistake over a sample for DNA testing.

My own conclusion has to be that this was a laboratory mix up, and as such there should be free re-testing by the lab responsible.

I had to jump through hoops to get CAS ROSAROMA'S DNA, as her own parents were not DNA tested only blood typed, so there was the additional expense for me to get a vet to take blood for parentage testing and then to extract DNA from that to enter her as a brood mare.

There were no parentage issues over the registration of her first first foal JUSTA ROMA, born 2006, who was also registered as a colt, so there can be no mix up or question marks over CAS ROSAROMA.

I had sight of ALI SHAMAAL'S registration certificate that showed he was a licensed stallion and DNA tested, so it must also be a fact that there were no question marks over his DNA.

As the resulting foal was born very dark brown in the image of Ali Shamaal's own sire CAS SABUR and went grey much later, as has Alileo, and the fact that Ali Shamaal was the only stallion - let alone the only GREY stallion, in any proximity to Rosaroma at the time of covering there can be NO QUESTIONS AT ALL OVER THE PARENTAGE. The stallion owner and an AHS panel judge were the people who did the actual covering, and the stallion owner was very keen at that time to have stock on the ground by ALI SHAMAAL.

There is no reason at all to doubt the parentage, as I was invited to bring my mare to this stallion free of all charge to myself for the purpose of promoting this stallion as a sire. I am 100% confident that the parentage is correct.

I therefore think it is incumbent on the AHS to contact Rachelle Newman and offer her a free DNA test once more for ALILEO (maybe with explicit guidance on cleanliness of collection to avoid the very remote chance that previous samples have been contaminated. even though collected by a very experienced breeder)
The only conclusion that is appropriate in these circumstance is a laboratory mistake, for which there should be no additional costs involved by Rachelle Newman.

Indeed, I have paid for full registration for ALILEO as a COLT, and the AHS should be obliged to facilitate this to completion as it is a monopoly business charged with the registration of pure and part bred Arabians in the UK.

Thank you in advance for getting this issue which is not of my making brought to a satisfactory conclusion for both myself as his breeder and for the current owner Rachelle.

Pat Wallwork.



From: "teamtemplars@gmail.com" <teamtemplars@gmail.com>
To: Pat Wallwork <patwallwork@yahoo.co.uk>; Tracey Phizacklea <registrar@arabhorsesociety.org>; "foals@arabhorsesociety.org" <foals@arabhorsesociety.org>; "teamtemplars@gmail.co.uk" <teamtemplars@gmail.co.uk>

Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2012, 18:19

Subject: Re: ALILEO PURE BRED ARAB

Thank you for copying me in on this. There are a couple of points of clarification however:

We did not purchase Alileo as a foal at foot - he was 2 years old and had not been separated from his dam. At Pat's request, we had the mare scanned because Alileo was sexually mature and Pat had seen him trying to cover his dam. Fortunately she scanned not on foal.

. Alileo is not grey. He is almost black and shows no signs of going grey.

. The hair sample was taken by our vet. When the first test came back as inconclusive, we asked the vet to take the sample to ensure non contamination.

As the owners of Alileo, we are NOT requesting a free DNA test. We accept the results. We are not prepared to argue a case because Alileo's temperament has proved to be violent and very aggressive to the point of being dangerous and so we would never consider using him as breeding stock despite his alleged pedigree. Since he will not be used for breeding and he is proving to be unmanageable for in hand or ridden work, there seems little point in registering him.

We see no need for further action by the AHS.

Regards

Rachelle Newnham
Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange




-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Wallwork [mailto:patwallwork@yahoo.co.uk]

Sent: 26 September 2012 20:27

To: teamtemplars@gmail.com; Tracey Phizacklea; Tracy Dopson
Subject: Re: ALILEO PURE BRED ARAB

Hello again everybody.

For clarification.

Alileo was an un-handled foal less than a year old who had out-wintered with his dam, and as explained was not handled due to my incapacity that year. He did not exhibit any aggressive tendencies while with his dam, nor had he been seen to attempt to cover her, she had not been visibly in season and the scan was a precaution in case anything had happened. I do not live on the premises and cannot watch them 24 hours a day.

I do think the point I made originally that it is impossible for CAS ROSAROMA'S DNA not to be a perfect match has been strengthened by Rachelle also saying that he was still suckling on his mother at the time of purchase, although she is mistaken that he was a 2 year old, he was foaled in 2008 as in 2006 Rosa had her first foal at foot and she was not sent back to stud until the following year after that foal was weaned.

Both of Rosa's colts went to their new homes in 2009, the year I had my surgery, when one was 3 and the other almost a yearling, as from memory Alileo actually went in the summer, before Justa Roma who stayed until the autunm.

Alileo developed some grey hairs by the time he shed his winter foal coat - admittedly very few, but his grand-sire CAS SABUR also appeared to be staying black / brown until he was a much older horse. On my original email concerning his registration I did say that as a foal, before the October 2008 deadline, that he appeared to be staying dark, but as he never fully shed the foal fluff his final colour could change.

I do think everyone is missing the point here.

The point is that I am the breeder of this horse and can guarantee with absolute certainty that CAS Rosaroma is his dam, as confirmed by Rachelle who travelled him home still suckling. with his dam.

The point is that if a vet did indeed take the hair for DNA to avoid contamination then the ONLY conclusions that can be drawn is a laboratory mix up.

This has caused expense to Rachelle, that should be re-imbursed by the AHS for the vets fees, plus any additional charges levied for the second sample.

When the colt was purchased it was with the full knowledge that the AHS held the covering certificate signed by the stallion owner as ordinary proof of service, with the markings completed ready for registration with the full fee paid for colt registration to allow a future buyer the option of keeping him entire.

The sale of Alileo completed on the basis that Rachelle would collect the DNA for registration formalities to be completed. This was part of the terms under which he was sold, that registration that was paid for would be completed.

So what is the current situation?

The registration and passport application to the AHS are one and the same. As the application was lodged with the AHS then Alileo should have an AHS passport.

As the AHS are fully aware from previous dealings on this subject, they as a Passport Issuing Authority are bound by the laws enacted to ensure that breeding records are not falsified. They are under a legal and a contractual obligation to myself to complete registration in accordance with the documentation in their possession.

They are of course at liberty to refuse to register foals by Alileo until there has been satisfactory evidence of his own blood lines, as the incorporation of DNA into the registration process was meant to make it easier to prove lineage when that foal went on to be a breeding adult, rather than have issues many years down the line when proof could be more difficult to obtain.

The position as I see it now, is that if Rachelle is adamant that Alileo will not be used at stud, then a certificate of gelding would allow his registration to proceed without DNA being tested.

If she is also adamant that she does not wish him ever to be registered as a pure bred Arab with his incredible lineage, then it could prove costly to enforce registration. At this time there seems little to be gained by any legal action between myself and Rachelle on the basis that a condition of sale was that she completes his registration, as it appears that a laboratory mix up is responsible for Rachelle no longer wanting to bother to take this forward.

In either of the above scenarios, I have as his breeder paid the AHS for a service that I have not received, that of obtaining pure bred Arab registered status for ALILEO.

I would therefore request a return in full of the registration fees paid for ALILEO.

yours

Pat Wallwork



From: Tracey Phizacklea <registrar@arabhorsesociety.org>
To: Pat Wallwork <patwallwork@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: teamtemplars@gmail.com

Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2012, 8:56

Subject: RE: ALILEO PURE BRED ARAB

Mrs Wallwork

The AHS is unwilling to discuss this situation with you, I have spoken with the owner of Alileo and as far as we are concerned the matter is closed. There will be no refund of the registration fee, two DNA tests were carried out by our laboratory at a cost which exceeded the amount you had paid therefore no refund is due.
Mrs T M Phizacklea

or and on behalf of the Arab Horse Society

Me
To Tracey Phizackleachristine dickinsonFeonna BartlettMichael Lewis

Thursday 27th September 2012

Hello Registrar,


The point has been completely missed once again..

As the BREEDER I the duly completed covering certificate with correct fees at the time due in October 2006. The AHS were given an explanation for the lack of hairs for DNA to accompany the application for a passport and registration.

. The purchaser of ALILEO was the person who was rushing to take him before I had pulled his hair for DNA. She knew a registration was pending and purchased subject to her taking DNA while he was still in the trailer so that registration could be completed.
I had done nothing wrong, unlike the insinuations being made. A passport had been applied for, and paid for, and a suckling foal accompanying its dam can travel without a passport.

Put in simple terms, Rachelle is in breach of her contract with me to complete the registration process, which by the evidence being received now appears not to have incurred any expense to her, as there has been no proof offered that it was a vet who took the DNA, and the AHS itself has now said both tests were carried out using the original fee paid by myself

The AHS are now claiming that two tests for DNA have exceeded the actual registration fee. This is a misrepresentation, as the fee charged to customers considerably higher than the actual lab charges. for example the main American lab charges only 40 dollars for parentage testing or around 30 pounds in Europe.

The AHS ACCEPTED my fee FOR REGISTRATION. As that has not happened it follows the AHS are also in breach of their contract with me.

Rachelle claims to have got a passport elsewhere for ALILEO. How was this possible with his application pending for a passport with the AHS? The AHS does issue passports for horses pending problems arising during the registration process that do not show the breeding but keep the horse within the spirit of DEFRA, for all purposes for which passports are required.

Rachelle has by her own statements admitted that she has never made any attempt to contact myself over ALILEO.

. Rachelle is the person who used an internet forum to mislead other members of the Arabian community as to the registration status of ALILEO in a statement that clearly damages my reputation and credibility over an issue that I had not been made aware of. (March 2011)

8 By the text to myself in June 2012 Rachelle obviously had not believed in March 2011 the claim she made publicly that registration had broken down as she appears to have sent yet another DNA sample.

Although I am practically impotent as regards the future use and condition of ALILEO as he is in the physical possession of Rachelle, I am now extremely concerned with the damage to my reputation if no registration happens for this horse.

. Under the terms of sale Rachelle was obliged to complete his registration. The AHS have been paid to complete his registration.

. I am the only injured party here. My reputation has been almost irreversibly tarnished by either a laboratory mix up or contamination from the person who collected the hair sample for DNA.

. I have no control over either

As a breeder I have tried to do the right thing and have horses registered and parentage verified correctly , especially as at the time the National Equine Data base was eventually to encompass all equines through the more unified system of passports.

. That Rachelle also appeared to believe in the value of bloodlines this is so strange that she now will not proceed to have another test done under better conditions to prove the parentage. She specifically wished to purchase ALILEO as she has a half sister to his dam, Taragun, who is a proven performance mare, but has not bred. Indeed, she had asked if she could cover MY MARE with one of her pure bred Arabs so that she had another foal of that line to keep, and offered me a free service in return for a foal for her. That was the purpose of the scan, to ensure that the immature Alileo had not already covered his own dam while suckling.

. Rachelle has made claims directly or indirectly that CAS Rosaroma is not the dam of ALILEO.

Unless the AHS insists that a further DNA test taken from Alileo, the AHS become complicit in the libellous accusations that if left unchallenged will tarnish my good name when in fact I am the only person trying to get this matter put right.

Rachelle has a great many horses, and it is possible that mistakes are made. She has made a very clear mistake as to the age of Alileo on purchase, for which numerous personal credible witnesses who both knew the horses and when they went, and from posts on the dreaded internet forums can vouch for his age on departure. The local BHS welfare officer will be able to verify the date CAS Rosaroma was returned to me, as she was called in to make a report on the mare's condition upon return , so that will be in BHS records as autumn 2009.

. Unless Rachelle can personally vouch for supervising the vet taking the hair sample from the correct horse, a mistake could have been made identifying the correct animal. Rachelle had weaned ALILEO by putting him in a barn with a similar age bay colt.

I now request that the AHS do "the right thing" and arrange for a proper DNA sample to be taken for Alileo. Surely Rachelle has nothing to hide for this to be done.

Pat Wallwork



teamtemplars@gmail.com
To Meregistrar@arabhorsesociety.orgfoals@arabhorsesociety.org


26 Sep 2012

I am not willing to get into further discussion about this.

Alileo already has a passport but he is not registered with the AHS and that is a situation with which I am happy.

I have never made any comment about "unnecessary expense." I do not think I have been inconvenienced and I have no complaint with the AHS.

I have not said Alileo was suckling - I said he was with his dam, not that he was suckling.

He was rising 2 when we got him. From postings on the internet, I believe that his sibling Justa Roma was with his new owner several months before Alileo came to us. His new owner contacted me several times prior to Alileo's arrival.

However, this is all academic. I am being dragged into a situation which is not of my making. I have no complaints. I have not discussed this with anyone. I don't want refunds or free DNA tests or anything else.

I bought a horse that has, in many ways, not lived up to expectation but I haven't complained or raised it as an issue. I have quietly and privately got on with things and put it down to experience.

I really am struggling to see what the problem is. A breeder bred a foal, didn't complete the registration, sold it (without a passport) and the buyer has since encountered problems with completing the registration. If the buyer accepts that position - what is the problem?

I haven't asked for compensation from the breeder. I haven't raised it as an issue with the AHS.

I'm not bothered that he's not registered and since he will not be being used as breeding stock then there isn't problem.

I am extremely unhappy about this situation. Mrs Wallwork has never spoken to me about this and I cannot believe that she has said the AHS should compensate me. I don't want compensation and I certainly don't want other people making such unvalidated claims on my behalf. I have not been in contact with Mrs Wallwork since buying Alileo, save for the text to her to let her know that he had failed the pre-requisite DNA test for registration. Under these circumstances the AHS has rightly, and properly refused to register Alileo. This was discussed at the time with the AHS. I informed them that since Alileo already had a general passport which makes him legal, and since I would not be using him for breeding then I did not need his parentage on his passport.

In summary: Mrs Wallwork paid for registration, the horse failed to meet the requirements of registration and therefore non was granted; I, as the buyer of a supposedly pure Arabian horse who has failed his registration, am the only party with cause to complain but I'm not complaining. I'm not asking for refunds or compensation or any other form of recompense.

I don't like the implied threat of legal action from Mrs Wallwork and to be honest, I can't see what grounds there are for any such action. The AHS did what it was obliged to do - process a registration application which in the event failed. I bought a horse in good faith and undertook the activity which should have been done by the breeder. I also obtained a passport for the horse which had been sold, as it turned out, without one. Mrs Wallwork paid for registration application which was rejected because the horse didn't meet qualifying criteria. There is no legal case to answer.

On a final note - this was an avoidable situation. If Mrs Wallwork had completed the application process herself within the prescribed timescales, none of this would be an issue. I fail to see why, after four years, Mrs Wallwork is raising this and creating unnecessary conflict for a horse that will not be used for breeding.

I believe the AHS has acted properly in this matter and I have no problem with the way things have been dealt with.

I own this horse. I don't care that he's not registered. I haven't discussed this with anyone outside my vet and the AHS.

Please do not involve me any more in this situation, and if (as I suspect) this matter becomes a "hot topic" on internet forums then I guarantee it will not have been started by me. It has been an unhappy experience and one I wish to draw a line under - privately, not in public.

Regards

Rachelle

sent using BlackBerry® from Orange

so who starts things on internet forums then – I did not post a reply to the Arabianlines post below made by Rachelle?

A DIFFERENT REGISTRATION FAILURE
Hi

I copied this from the Arabianlines web site and am not happy with the content.

Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 6:34:21 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

''''CAS Rosaroma (Shogun x Di Roma) is back with Pat Wallwork. We have a colt out of her by Ali Shahmaal but unfortunately it's not been possible to register him due to a breakdown in registrations before we bought him. ''''

This post was by "templars" who is Rachelle Newman / Evie peel's mother, owners of Taragun who won the WAHO performance trophy a few years back.



This is factually incorrect and is adding fuel to those with their own agenda over other registration issues.

At the date of sale, The colt concerned ALILEO out of my mare CAS Rosaroma and by Ali Shahmaal had had his competed covering certificate duly signed by his owner and myself returned to the AHS together with the correct fees for a COLT.

The AHS were awaiting DNA to complete registration. This colt was born the year I needed surgery and was therefore unhandled as I could not risk any further injury. These facts were fully disclosed to the buyer, she was given the DNA bag, and told she had to get a sample of his hair to complete his registration. She was advised to do this while he was still in the trailer with his dam, for safety and in case they could not catch him upon release in a new environment.

This should have been perfectly do-able to an experienced horse owner who keeps a number of stallions.

At no time am i aware that "there was a breakdown in registrations" as the AHS have the forms and the fee by the deadline in the year of birth.

Can you please contact Templars stud and advise them that tehy only have to send the DNA to complete registration with copy to myself please by email, and ask council member Jayne Armstrong who is a moderator on the Arabianlines forum to publish a retraction of that misleading statement.

Any efforts I have made to contact Templars stud myself have previously been fruitless, and I am still angered at my mare being returned a few months later underweight, with extensive rain scald and mud rash having only been allowed to travel with the foal for their convenience not mine.

Thank you. I am desperatley trying to get all the outstanding registration issues sorted as I need to have all horses gone before the coming winter.
Pat Wallwork
FYI
Following on from this, I had a text from Rachelle Newman on 18th June 2012
“””Pat, we've been trying to get Alileo DNA tested. The first attempt came back as inconclusive. And we have just been informed by the AHS that he has failed the second parentage test and so cannot be registered. The results are showing that Ali Shamaal was not his sire, There is also a question about CAS Rosaroma being his dam according to the DNA. After 2 tests , both of which have failed, we wont be trying a third time. Rachelle””””
There followed some emails between myself and the AHS, the upshot of which was that despite Alileo's correctly completed covering certificate and fees being with the AHS by the deadline in the year of birth, Rachelle Newman has obtained a passport from a different source, and the AHS are not prepared to refund the original fees to myself as his breeder, despite that the issue appears to be with DNA test. I hesitate to suggest that Rachelle made a mistake in the sample she sent, but there is no way that this colt does not have the bloodlines claimed.
Rachelle took ALILEO in her trailer with his dam, he was still at foot suckling.
CAS Rosaroma had parents who were blood typed not DNA tested.
CAS Rosaroma had to have BLOOD taken for her own parentage verification from which DNA was extracted to correctly identify her future and current progeny.
Her colt foal Justa Roma born 2006 was accepted for registration as a colt by the AHS, based on correct paperwork and DNA proof.
I saw the verification that Ali Shamaal had his stallion license and DNA before using him on CAS Rosaroma.
Ali Shamaal was the only stallion on the yard where CAS Rosaroma went to be covered.
His owner was devastated that he died “of grass sickness” after sale, and was desperate to see the ONLY pure bred foal his stallion had sired.
Alileo was born the almost black colour of his paternal grand-sire CAS Sabur, and very similar in looks and type. His dam is flaxen chestnut, but he had some white flecks around the eyes that showed he was likely to grey out.
To accompany other emailed attachments to current AHS committee members Sept 15th 2103.








58. OAKMEISTER DIRTY HARRY
Ssinsation X I A Whisper
Grey Anglo Arab stallion
MISSING

(Was NOT removed from peel care)






59. ARIETA
was on my original list
MISSING
(actually 'RITA' see number 32.)




60. TEMPLARS SEA MONKEY - Neville (2011)
Sea Heir X Oakthwaite Shamtar
dark brown colt

His breeding appears to be Anglo but on all breeds he is down as PBA
His name was mentioned in court and spirit13 said she saw him in the 'rescue centre'
MISSING
(Returned to peels)


61. TEMPLARS CULTURED PEARL - Molly (1998)
Silvern Sceptre X Templars Magic Pearl
Pure bred chestnut mare

Her name was mentioned in court and spirit13 caims she saw her at the 'rescue centre'
MISSING
(peel said she was shot by HAPPA)

Molly and and her foal by Calcutta Templars Vindaloo



62. TEMPLARS CHANSON D'AMOUR - Quizz (2002)
Last Crescendo X Je t'Adore
Pure bred gelding

MISSING


63. TEMPLARS PEARL HANIFEYAH - Shrimp (2008)
Hanson X Templars Magic pearl (Mouse)
Pure bred chestnut mare
100% crabett
MISSING



64. TEMPLARS MOONSONG - Boots (2008)
Last Crescendo (cresh) X MWA Majidah Bint Mamoona (Binty)
Pure bred Chestnut mare
99% Crabett 100% old English
MISSING



REF No 7 Bubblegum - Bumble



REF No 14 HADIDA PEARL - Haps with Templars Magic Pearl (Mouse) as foal at foot




REF No 17 SILVERSUN KHOOMI - Khoomi in 2013



65. TEMPLARS ????? - Moose (2006)
MWA Madkour X 11.1 Caspian X Welsh
PBA
MISSING



66. TEMPLARS VINDALOO - Vinnie (2011)
Calcutta X Templars Magic Pearl
Bay Anglo colt
MISSING




67. EARLYS RISING (1998)
Primitive Rising X Countess Clifton

Evented in 2006 to 2008 with previous owner was sold to peel scanned in foal 2010 and previous owner was told there was no foal born, she was then put to Harley with apparently no resulting foal
found dead in the field in 2012
DIED


67. EVA/EVE
her name was read out in court but no other reference to her
MISSING


68. RINGKAY CAESAR - Winston
Shetland

His name was read out in court and spirit13 said she saw him in the 'rescue centre'
MISSING
(Horse re-passported and microchipped by "rescue centre" vet)



REF No 19 TEMPLARS MILLI VANILLI - Milli (2011)



REF No 20 TARAGUN - Taz/Tarri (1992)
Tarri as a foal in happier times



REF No 22. Last Crescendo - Cresh (1997)
Before



REF No 10 & 30 FIYAH DOMINION (1995)



REF No 33 EDGEVALE AGAINST ALL ODD'S - Pip (2005)



REF No 34. HERON DE LA FORGE - Heron (1995)



REF No 34 WHICHWAYS SUMMER BREEZE - Breeze


REF N0 37. TEMPLARS MAGIC PEARL - Mouse (1994)
As a foal in 1994



REF No 38. DOWNLAND I'M HELLO DOLLY - Dolly (2008)



REF No 40. GKJ SPOTTED SENSATION - Yogi/Sydney 49. (2011)





49. OSO HARLEQUIN - Moo Moo (2000)



REF No 54. STAR ASCENDANT - Scottie (2002)




REF No 55. VLACQ TALNIQUE - Tal/Tally



69. VLACQ EMERALD THEODEN - THEO (2005)
? X G.D Huttons Ambo Chloe
16hh Colt 77.25% Arab

Died as a 3 or 4 year old
DEAD



REF No 29. TEMPLARS MYSTIC SHADOW - Midge (01.05.09)



70. RINGKAY FREDDIE - Freddie
MISSING
Shetland male

(retained by Cooper Wilson:)


71. DUN FILLY (2005)
Pure bred Caspian
MISSING

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My pure bred Caspian mare had just had the most beautiful little filly and I'm so excited! She wasn't due for another fortnight and last night didn't show any signs of imminent foaling.

Checked on her at midnight, gave her a carrot and cuddle and she was fine. Just been to give her breakfast and there was a gorgeous little filly, up and suckling, completely dry, meconium hanging out, mum still rugged up!

I was on a waiting list for 8 years to get a mare and I'm absolutely thrilled. Filly is by my own stallion who was so shy we really didn't think he'd ever manage to be a father!

I know she's not Arabian but just wanted to share some good news!

Off for a wash and a brew.

Rachelle

PS Other Half still with mare and foal - and him a seasoned farmer!!!

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Will post some pics if I can work out how to do it!!

Thanks for your congratulations - it's really nice to know that people get just as excited as me at a new arrival.

I got into Caspians when I was looking for a pony for my young daughter. They are much narrower than native breeds and have the most amazingly calm temperament. I took my stallion all the way from Lancashire to Bristol for the Nationals and he was as good as gold, stood all day outside the trailer with goats, mares, foals and children all round him. Got 2nd in the lead rein class (only had a saddle on 5 days before), 4th in the in hand class. Wonderful breed.

Our little filly's shoulder comes to midway up my thigh (I'm 5' 2") and again, she's as calm as anything. She's a really pretty dun colour and quite a little poppet. My first pure Caspian!

I keep offering them to the Roman re-enactment at Ribchester seeing as the Caspian was the original chariot horse but they keep ignoring my offer and using a Shire!!!


72. ??????? - Shush
(re homed by happa)


REF No 39 Templars Nimrod & 73.
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Two part bred colts born within half an hour of one another this morning.

Our SE boy's first foal - a leggy chestnut colt was born at about 5.00. His mum is an 11.1 Caspian x Welsh. He's got attitude!!! Having a bit of difficuly learning to lower his head to suckle because he's as tall as mum and hasn't quite mastered the art of arching his neck.

Last Crescendo's third son arrived at about 5.30 out of our Cleveland Bay x Arab mare - a very smart bay little boy who seems so chilled it's untrue. Bred as a future eventer for Evie.

That's it now - time for a brew and some sleep!!

Both boys very different, very cute and all safe and sound



73. Caspian X Welsh 11.1hh
MISSING




74. WILLOW ANNABEL (1999)
Bantry Bere X Denwick Anne
Cleveland Bay
BELIEVED SOLD



75. LITTLE MISS PEPPERPOT
very early on evies pony
PROBABLY PASSED AWAY OR MISSING



76. EPHEPE
RETURNED TO AULTS



77.???? RUBY
coloured mare
sprit13 claims she came from peels, she went in to 'rescue centre'
the same night ???
SPIRIT13 (DANIELLE) HAS HER


78. FILLY FOAL (2007)
BORN & DIED within 24 hours

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Trot the rainbow little man and send moonbeams to those who love you
RIP Little Ralph xx You can be very proud of your human mum - she's done you proud little one

ps if you look very carefully across the clouds, you'll find a lovely bay filly born Boxing Day who sadly had to cross the rainbow too when she was 24 hours old - she'll be glad of a little friend to play with xx


I am now away for 10 days so I have added the last few







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According to the 'response' post, Dirty Harry was one of two that were not removed, so technically, not returned. I did ask on that post for some information about where he was and why he wasn't removed but haven't had a reply yet. I know the other, a coloured mare was with Evie at college, but I would dearly like to know where Dirty Harry (AJ) spent those years.

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I remember seeing Pats ad on the AOBG and contacted about going to see one, not sure if it was same boy or not.


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We haven't forgotten! Nor shall we



Get over yourself: You breathe, you fart, what makes you different?

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I am the breeder of Autumn Dancer 2 (Harry)and am trying to trace where he is now... I understand that he may have been sold to someone in the Isle of Man in 2012. Does anyone on this forum have any further information please? Many thanks.
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HAPPA have an arab for rehoming called Prancer - might not be connected to this case but thought I would mention it. He has a large white snip on his nose so hopefully easily recognisable.
Here is the text - he is on their Facebook page.

HAPPA Prancer Companion
Born 2007, Arab, 15hh, Grey Gelding

HAPPA Prancer came to us at the end of 2014 as part of a big rescue. Since being at the Centre he has been out at a home and returned through no fault of his own. Prancer is looking for an experienced home that can help keep his mind active and would excel at in hand showing.
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He could be impossible to say...

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Let's hope & pray if it is one that was rescued from that hell hole, that they never gets their hands on him.

They must never be allowed to visit this boy either.

Keep the name of those vile people out there...... peel... rachelle & evie



Get over yourself: You breathe, you fart, what makes you different?

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HAPPA Prancer has been identified and was nothing to do with the Peels.

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Hi all
Noticed that there is still interest in the tragic peel case and just wanted to let you all know that one of the peel horses bubblegum now 17 was rehomed by happa to a lady I know and is now very much loved and pampered by a 14 yr old girl and is regularly ridden and has brought her much joy so at least one happy ending! One escapee!

Magreen
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Ah how lovely! I'm sure pics would be appreciated :)

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