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NatH
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 Posted - 21 Jan 2015 : 3:39:14 PM
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Hi
As most of your know I've moved away from pure bred Arabians and am now concentrating on breeding good quality 'dilute' part bred Arabians.
Last year I bred a super 77% Arabian palomino filly.
My choices for our 2016 foal are as follows:
Chestnut Arabian Stallion for another high % palomino foal
Bay Arabian Stallion for a high % buckskin foal
Cremello Stallion for a high % cremello foal
I would appreciate your imput on this one. Please be aware that I am trying to breed high % 'quality' part bred Arabians akin to the ones you see in Australia and around the World to sell, not to keep.
What would be your choice?
Thank you for your feedback
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Natalie
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 21 Jan 2015 : 3:56:14 PM
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| Personally I love palominos especially if they are the real deep colour with white manes and tails. |
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kate b
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Posted - 21 Jan 2015 : 4:07:05 PM
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| If you are breeding to sell I would think a cremello foal will be easier to sell (especially a filly) for people wanting to breed their own pallys/buckskins in the future. |
      
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garnet
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Posted - 21 Jan 2015 : 4:47:11 PM
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| I get it now! I was surprised when you sold your foal as I thought you would be keeping her as a foundation mare but this way all options are open. The penny drops! |
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glo
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England
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Posted - 21 Jan 2015 : 5:07:53 PM
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I may be wrong but I thought that you could not breed cremello to a cremello, as the foal would not live! Genetic reasons!
For me I would use a chestnut for a palomino.
Just out of interest what price did you get for your filly? PM me please.(sorry to sound rude) |
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heathermcbreen
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Posted - 21 Jan 2015 : 5:29:26 PM
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Sorry I cant help... i have same prob..I have my pally mare in foal to a chestnut arab currently... but have a ridden chestnut pure arab mare age 15 who has never had a foal (last chance really) and cant decide which is best, a chestnut arab or a part bred pally or a part bred cremello... by the way do you know what ever happened to cremello Midoak Mardi Gras ? I enquired about him recently and the ex owner said she sold him but did not know who to... which was odd ..and now i have heard he was facially injured and may have died. Poor horse.
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sab2
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Posted - 21 Jan 2015 : 5:35:14 PM
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Buckskin  most people are breeding the pallies in high % arab but i love a nice buckskin, of course you may still get pally from the cremello x bay but a high % buckskin would be lovely. I am hoping to cover my Trakehner mare this year with my cremello pony stallion and praying we get a buckskin ( thats if he can reach to cover her  ) |
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glo
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Posted - 21 Jan 2015 : 5:47:11 PM
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| Dig a big hole or a big pile soil might help |
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Nuttyneddy
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sab2
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Posted - 21 Jan 2015 : 5:58:02 PM
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Thanks glo, we tried the launching him from above last year but kept failing so this year we are going for the digging a ditch method, hes only 12.2hh but did cover a 16hh TB mare using a ditch before i got him, i have the result here shes about 14.1hh at 3yr this year. Failing this stilts may be the next option  |
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nerissanic
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Posted - 23 Jan 2015 : 09:04:39 AM
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| buckskin. bright chestnut has always been my first choice but a nice buckskin, along the lines of the beautiful havenbeech minxes a very close second, and they are much rarer than pallies, and easier to keep clean as less white! |
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garnet
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Posted - 23 Jan 2015 : 11:45:23 AM
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We had a sex-mad ****land gelding (late cut) who tried to cover a big warmblood mare while she was lying down in the field. Where there's a will ....
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garnet
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SuziQ
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Posted - 23 Jan 2015 : 3:16:17 PM
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| Another vote for Buckskin. just googled all the lovely american ones..so practical a black tail!! |
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glo
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England
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Posted - 23 Jan 2015 : 4:01:39 PM
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I suppose if your going to breed a buckskin/ dun your will have to make sure that the stallion you use is say, red bay with very black legs mane and tail.
I do like the golden ones but not the brown ones, I was reading that the black hairs stay black and the bay or chestnut dilute to gold.
There is probably more risk in trying for a buckskin/ dun than a palomino, having said that you can get some very pale or browne palominos.
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Faracat
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Posted - 23 Jan 2015 : 8:48:57 PM
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Homozygous sabino is fine. OLWS (overo lethal white syndrome) relates to horses homozygous for frame overo.
Glo, are you thinking of sooty which adds black pigment, eg sooty palomino or sooty buckskin? If neither parent carries sooty, then the foal should be sooty free and therefore a lovely golden colour.
Anyhoo, I vote palomino. :) |
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Nuttyneddy
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Posted - 24 Jan 2015 : 5:54:03 PM
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Ah thanks, I knew it was something with a lot of white
Don't forget if you want a buckskin foal the stallion has to be homozygous bay (AA) otherwise you could get a smokey black (which are much more boring!), and if he's Ee (heterozygous for black) then you might still get a palomino (although I'm guessing that would also be acceptable). |
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Pashon2001
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Havenbeech
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Posted - 16 May 2015 : 2:49:08 PM
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Came across this thread whilst googling "Cremello Arabian" and realised i havent been on this site for months and months and months and havent posted for probably even longer! So, will make a concerted effort to participate as i have been catching up and reading that the site has gone quiet :-( Will start a new thread on my foal, but firstly would like to say thank you nerrisanic for your lovely comments about my beautiful buckskin fillies, and to Natalie - well - what did you decide?! LOL x
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pam
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Posted - 30 May 2015 : 10:31:59 AM
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| I believe my stallion is homozygous bay. I'm fascinated by colour genetics now and keep looking up possible outcomes (colour) of matings! |
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badders
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Posted - 30 May 2015 : 1:25:55 PM
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Buckskin like Havenbeeches or pallie, either with high % arab very nice.
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Help choosing my next foal colour
