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faymouse
Silver Member
 United Kingdom
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 Posted - 21 Jan 2012 : 11:30:42 PM
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As a lifetime Arab fan and owner and having lost my purebred mare in 2008 I have searched high and low for a replacement... ok I am hoping for a loan so that will reduce the chances for me but I am offered horses that are no longer sound so the owners dont want them.. well I dont think its fair to ride them either when they cant keep up with the others! or I get headcases who are nervous wrecks, have never done anything other than show or work in an arena and been encouraged to be flighty to "show " well !!
I find it so disheartening that this lovely breed has changed beyond recognition in my life time ,so much so that the last attempt to find my perfect Arab, ok I didnt travel to see her as I suffer agrophobia but took the owners word that she was sensible and substantial and had been proffesionally backed, she arrived .. little more than a show pony ..really slight,very nervous and after a couple of days lunging I got on her and she was clearly terrified.. she shook and sweated.. afraid when she saw my legs around her, afraid of a clump of earth she kicked up... I gave up I felt so sorry for her.. almost put me off Arabs completly ..and that is really saying something. I somehow feel her owner will never do the things with he she planned judging by the amount of tackle she bought to load her up again into the trailer so the other choice...she will breed from her.. even suggested I did .. but sorry she and others the same should not be bred from least we continue the downfall of the breed. Sorry so long winded .
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Judith S
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Wales
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 09:00:01 AM
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There are good ones about, but they don't often come up for sale/loan for that very reason.
Unfortunately a lot that come up for sale are 'rejects' for whatever reason - how often do you see them advertised as 'suitable for endurance', usually because they can't do anything with them rather than the fact that they are bred to perform. |
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proctorclaire
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 09:08:28 AM
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| Yes I ended up with one of these arabs. She was petrified when I first got on her. Shaking underneath me. She's still scared of a lot of things now and needs careful handling. Arabs are such a fantastic sensitive breed and humans are wrecking them. So many people want an arab for their looks and movement but don't understand how to handle them. Once a trust with an arab is broken it's very hard to get it back. |
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joanna_piana
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 09:26:33 AM
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Well both mine hack out for miles but neither are for sale i'm afraid. I think the roads getting more and more hazardous doesn't help as it puts a lot of people off hacking but I do think it's the best thing to do with youngsters, teaches them so much. I agree that in the wrong hands it is far easier to ruin an arab then other breeds hence why they do have a certain reputation.
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Quarabian
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Wales
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 09:27:19 AM
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Don't despair faymouse. Not everyone knows that you are looking for a loan horse to hack, I didn't. So bear in mind that there are good arabs that people are seeking a good home for it is just a matter of not reaching the right ears. I feel cross that you have been offered unsound and unsuitable horses. Maybe this one doesn't need to be a purebred!!
What is your wish list eg size colour age etc. |
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kathleen
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England
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 11:25:43 AM
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Alliya in my sig is a fantastic hack i bred her and since a baby she always was taken out on roads tracks everywhere and anywhere lots of rivers, cows, sheep and low aircraft when she was a yearling as well as the local hunt
After having time out she has always gone straight back into it i do feel lucky as she loves hacking so much its a joy to go out alone together and have a good chat you can not beat it |
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Kes
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England
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 12:06:57 PM
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Not wishing to detract from the OP but picking up on other things mentions; last April I bought Kes who at the time of buying was no more than an in-hand show Arab. He has perfect manners, loads like an angel, is sweet in and out of the stable but....undoing the training they have undergone can be difficult when turning an in-hand show horse into a riding horse. I am in no way slating his previous owner, she is a lovely, talented and very knowledgeable lady. At the end of the day I chose to buy him, I wasn't forced. But at the time of buying I had no idea just how much work I would have ahead of me to make a safe, happy riding horse. Maybe I should have been more clued up about Arabs before my purchase. I figured riding non-stop for 32 years, owning PB Arabs, TB's and TB crosses that I could own a pure bred and everything would go swimmingly. Nope! I have come up against many problems which put my original plan back by almost a year, not really a massive problem though as Kes is only 6. I went back to the beginning and everything I can do with him now is fun, full of confidence and we make easy progress. But the first time I got him he was terrified, at least I was sensible enough to realise that getting off and addressing underlying issues was far better that persevering with a very stressed and scared horsey.
Faymouse, I really wish you the best of luck with finding another pure bred. They are out there (I know other people with pure breds who are 100% in every way), the most magic horse is waiting for you I'm sure :) Don't give up :) |
    
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FireLight
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 12:15:09 PM
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| Both of mine hack for miles and encounter all sorts of hazards. They are always confident to tackle anything if I say it's ok. But I must agree I did struggle to find my latest arab as I wanted a happy hacker not for showing or endurance. I rang about a few 'hacking arabs' but they had a list a mile long of things they didn't like out hacking one didn't like hedges apparently! I ended up with an 15 year old ex racer, not what I planned but fell in love, and he is truly amazing to hack.(He's the grey in my sig). |
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Nashiba
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 12:52:04 PM
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Faymouse-Where do you live please??
We have three lovely arabs who all love to hack but I cannot ride them all and cannot find anyone to just come and ride with me .
No cost involved just lovely horses and company for me as due to an accident I no longer ride alone.
They have all been shown too in-hand and ridden,load etc.
When I was young I used to help out in a riding school all week to have a lesson at the weekend (1hour-7 shillings and 6pence)!!!
God now I am really showing my age
I also have a fab Anglo mare who is totally bombproof and is going next weekend to a lovely lady for hacking.
So,if anyone lives in Carmarthenshire please pm me I would love some company. |
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Arabianknights
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England
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 2:33:28 PM
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Nashiba - I was so surprised to hear you can't find anyone to ride your Arabs! Before I bought my horse, I would have thought all my birthdays had come at once if that sort of opportunity was available to me!
Quarabian - I think that you're absolutely right about getting the message to the right "ears". I bet there's the perfect horse out there for you Faymouse - it's just getting it out there! I would put an advert on as many places as you can (which I'm sure you have). Good luck! |
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shah
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England
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 4:20:25 PM
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I thoroughly sympathise faymouse. I too have been looking for an arab for a very long time (3 yrs in fact now) and I've had lots of failed vettings, failed loans with view to buy and even one that I bought but that I had to sell in the end (v long story). The state of the arabs in this country is extremely poor and you would get nightmares just going to view some of the arabs I've seen.
Bottom line to me is that loads of people that have an arab shouldn't have it - in fact many that I've met shouldn't even have a horse as they can't look after it properly in one way or another. Arabs are not Barbie horses that you can have as a fashion statement! I feel so sorry for the horses as it's not their fault they're lame, wonky, terrified, neglected, throwing tantrums, walking all over their owners, etc etc etc...
I'm looking for something for endurance and I've now switched strategy looking for an unbroken youngster that has been brought up nicely rather than something I can ride straight away. I don't know yet whether this strategy will pay off so can't say anything!!
Good luck faymouse - I don't know any arab that fit your description, sorry. However if anyone is looking for a project let me know (this is a genuine request). |
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Nut
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 5:39:40 PM
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Nut hacked and was road worthy; my current two I do not take on the roads following Nut's death by RTA but our yard borders the m25 and there is a hacking track so they do hack round the 100acre farm. One hacks alone, the other hacks in company but will long rein alone. One has just done a very successful show season and the other will return to the ring after 2 years out due to illness.
Two of them I had as youngsters (6 months and 2yrs) and the other from 4. Get them young and mould them to what you want. The ones that have been there and done it as others have said, rarely come up for sale.
Hope you find something soon :) |
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Arachnid
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England
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 7:04:08 PM
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| I dont think people sell their safe lovely riding horse unless they absolutely have to do so do you? The stud 'Shah' and I visited last month had some really nice youngsters for sale if you were prepared to start a baby? All properly put together and appeared to be sane, so they are definitely out there ! |
   
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Holly
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England
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 9:56:49 PM
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They are out there! I have 2 amazing arab mares who ive started from youngsters and ive competed them in show jumping, dressage, cross country and endurance and they have done loads and loads of hacking alone and in company, on busy roads and off road. One mare is now 12 and one is now 7. due to having my first child last year i put both mares out on loan to local girls. both loan homes were fantastic!
in have now sold the younger of the 2 mares to the loan home as it was a perfect partnership and the older mare came back to me in september 2011 but is due to go out on loan to another local lady in february as im expecting my 2nd baby!
i didnt advertise either of my horses but through word of mouth both loan homes found me. the really good horses dont need to be advertised as good homes often tend to just turn up at the right moment.
i also agree that if you have the time to buy a youngster and start it from scratch you get a lot more from the horse and the relationship and trust that you create over time is amazing.
hope that everyone looking finds their perfect horse soon.
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 : 1:12:34 PM
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personally i would buy something young and do it yourself - then you are not buying anyone's problems.
panache (pba ) hacked alone/in company on roads and in the country , ramak ( pure bred) is the same and my sisters horse (anglo) also does we had them all from 4yrs, 5 1/2 and just 4 years respectively and i really think it make a difference as you can train them how you see fit ..
if i was in the market to buy i wouldnt hesitate to buy a youngster to bring on..good luck! |
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faymouse
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 : 1:35:34 PM
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How good to receive such positive responses from everyone when I quite expected to get shot down in flames! The right Arab is an incomparable horse and the bond you build with these very people orientated horse is one that has to be lived to be believed.
So lovely to hear of those of you lucky enough to have that magic horse, long may you enjoy your life together.
Quarabian, ...you ask what is my wish list and yes, greys are a pain to keep clean I know but apart from that it just needs to be "that" horse that you feel the instant bond with. I do love the crabbet/old english lines as these where the ones I grew up with,the sensible ones bar a few lines,the substantial riding horses you could take anywhere,who you trusted with your life!
Nashiba... if only we were closer, I am in Bedfordshire :(
I must say I was very picky when I got my mare as a yearling, having looked at fields of youngsters all over the country I found her just down the road from me! The owner had bought her as a foal, bred in Wales, at the Annual sales, not a fashionable line at that time though to me well bred! He had her in a stable for 6 months.. bought her out straight under a line of washing hung across the yard and she didn't flinch,trotted beautifully with head and tail high through all the washing and for me it was love at first sight..and remained so throughout her 30 years of life.She was Dorani, on allbreed and could be noughty with strangers... like her grand sire Indian Magic , much like him in build too..but what a horse she was!
Shah.. I am sorry to hear that you too have had similar experiences and wish you success in finding the "right" one. For those of you who have sensible ,bold well built horses please breed from them.. don't let this downturn continue...don't breed for show, breed for type and temperament so that others can experience the joy of a great Arabian horse!
To all who suggest starting a youngster, I couldn't agree more but at 64 this year worry that maybe I am a bit old to do that again now. I did, after I lost Dorani on an impulse, buy a yearling TB filly backed but too slow too race, another sweetie, I bought her on to be an ace horse you could take anywhere do anything with. Sadly last November she sustained a minute unseen puncture wound that went straight into her hock and and infected the whole joint. From the Tuesday that it was discovered..she went to the Friday and the joint couldn't be flushed clear and the vet said the only option was to have her pts, which was quite devastating as the beautiful girl would have been five this year. Such is life.She was put to sleep at home peacefully as was Dorani.
Thank you everyone for being so nice and so sorry for those of you who have had bad times and true, too many good horses are spoilt by bad handling and reckless riding. xx |
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Pasha
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 : 1:48:55 PM
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I agree that they are out there and loads looking for good homes at the moment! Contact your local regional group, attend the clinics/events and chat to people - word of mouth really is the best way to find them!
But what I will say is that they do react completely differently in different environments and in different homes, so it is really important to see them in their current home first. If you can't go, do you have a friend or instructor who could go and try them out for you?
When I went to try Shesk he confidently strode out down the road, ears forward, head bobbing, past a combine harvester without batting an eyelid! I got him home and we were stabled with direct access onto a bridleway - he was a saint to hack, I even remarked to several people you would put your child on him no problem!
Moved to my current yard and he is completely different - no confidence at all, in fact, doesn't really want to go out and speed walks back! Spins and runs for home at scary things, bucks and leaps at nothing! We even get prancing and dragon snorting at golfers! I end up taking him on his own as he seems a bit better than with others, but had an episode yesterday where he started squealing and whinnying like a girl because he'd seen his friends from the yard going the other way and tried to run back towards them.
I know it's not me as I can take him on an Endurance Ride/Pleasure Rides and he is his old self again... some days he's much better, especially if he hasn't been out for a few weeks, but I make sure he hacks at least once a week as I do think it's important for their ligaments and tendons.
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hazelcat74
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 : 9:48:58 PM
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| I think it is difficult to find a good genuine horse that is right for you whether arab or not, looked at loads of suposedly safe second ponies for my daughter which were bad mannered, unsound etc etc, and ended up buying a 2/3 arab 4yr old and it was the best thing I could have done. On the other hand when I found my arab mare I wasnt looking for one really but she was just there and I ended up with her, she was not good enought o show so was left unbroken till 5 and then sold to me just after breaking, we have had ups and downs but she is great now and hacking suits her perfectly. Good luck and dont give up. |
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FreyaG
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England
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 : 10:04:59 PM
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Good luck with you search, Faymouse. I've had a wanted ad on AL for over a month, only 3 responses, I kept looking online on other sites , arabs seem to be advertised on preloved, - 'hoofon' helps to search all uk horse ads.
I hope I have found a nice youngster , only saw her today so am rather excited, very green but seems a sweetie, so subject to vetting will arrive next week.
I saw a very nicr mare, Crabbet type, rode her twice, shehas done some endurance, kind ,sound but at 14.2 too small for me. Please pm me if you or anyone else would like her details, very genuine mare with no vices. Hope she gets the home she deserves. |
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faymouse
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jan 2012 : 12:35:50 AM
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FreyaG, I too have just completed another add for Al wanted,hopefully will be on show soon...
Will have a look at hoofon too thanks. Have my fingers crossed that you have found the right one.. exciting time! The mare you speak of sounds a possibility so will message you for more info please.:0) |
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Judith S
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Posted - 24 Jan 2012 : 07:46:38 AM
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We've fond them in all sorts of strange places over the years - South Wales free-ads, general horse-dealer friend, riding school, local paper, local butcher
Only once went and bought one through the 'normal' channels direct from the breeder and she ended up too small and was sold on after breaking. |
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faymouse
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jan 2012 : 8:08:08 PM
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| Just heard of one today through Facebook a grey mare with no papers who was rescued having gone through two dealers, two days from knackers yard! She is quite close to me and available to loan. Still looks a bit thin tho even after two years with present owner. |
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JaneandZiggy
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Posted - 24 Jan 2012 : 8:33:25 PM
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| Hi Fayemouse. I have joined the forum because a friend (on another forum) told me about your post! I have a lovely boy, a 15.2 PSA and delightful spirited hack, who may interest you as a loan but he has some special needs - particularly, he has to live out all year. I don't know the etiquette on this forum for discussing this with you, so please forgive me if I am being rude, but if you would like to contact me and hear about him just let me know. |
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faymouse
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jan 2012 : 1:34:05 PM
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| Hi Jayneandziggy! would love to her more, will send you a pm :0) |
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Misper
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Posted - 25 Jan 2012 : 2:03:19 PM
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We found my daughter's new horse through a Welsh trade paper. She is an Arab/Appaloosa cross 6 year old and a really beautiful, genuine sort and a fantastic hack and due to being under used and a bit poor,she was cheap! It seems that sometimes Arabs find you through the back door (we too had put a wanted ad on Arabian Lines),and sometimes an Arab/Arab cross is sold by somebody who doesn't know or is not interested in the bloodlines/history and maybe doesn't realise that what they are selling is quite special, (to us Arabian lovers,anyway!).
They are out there! |
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The Arabian Emporium
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