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jones-s21
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Posted - 27 Jun 2011 :  10:12:41 PM  Show Profile  Click to see jones-s21's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this topic Add jones-s21 to your friends list Send jones-s21 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello there - I am searching for descendants of my uncle's arabians which he bred from The Old Farm Stud, Loughton,Bletchley, Bucks in the 1950s-1970s. Some of his mares included: Velutina; Golden Jubilee; Kamia; Crystal Dew; Lady Domino; Magic Diamond; Ailean, Lady Isabel; Lady of Milton Keynes; Phillippa; Something Special; Other offspring I remember are: Wasel Gerwazy; Golden Irex - my mind has gone blank now but there were many more. I know that Golden Domino was exported to Texas and that Sirel, who stands in Holland, is a descendant but I would be interested to know if there are any in the UK.
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Callisto
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Posted - 27 Jun 2011 :  11:08:52 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Callisto to your friends list Send Callisto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi and welcome to Arabian Lines

Have you tried entering their names on the Allbreedpedigree website? It is not a complete record, but below are a couple of descendants of Velutina - if you enter the horse's name and it has been recorded on allbreedpedigree, and then go the the reports tab on the top left, and then choose the progeny tab, it will give you the offspring that have been entered on this website. The horses with asterisks next to their names on the pedigree itself have photos, and if you click on the tiny photo icon next to their name in the top middle of the pedigree you can view the picture. If there is an icon of a small 'i' in a circle next to the name it means that someone has posted information of that horse, which may be of interest.

This is the pedigree of a Dutch Warmblood descended from Velutina

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=RUBIN33&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=

This is another of Velutina's descendents:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=OFIRAH&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=

Unfortunately none of the names you have listed appear in my Crabbet's pedigree, but I'm sure that someone on here will be able to help you.

Edited to add: There are a lot of progeny listed for Wasel Gerwazy.

Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
Linda
East Sussex

Edited by - Callisto on 27 Jun 2011 11:20:04 PM
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applause
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Posted - 28 Jun 2011 :  11:56:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit applause's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add applause to your friends list Send applause a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tina Cooke would be the women to ask, look her up Stourvale Stud.
What she dosen't know about Crabbet's would be the question to ask!!!!
I'm sure she would be happy to help you
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jones-s21
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Posted - 29 Jun 2011 :  8:27:05 PM  Show Profile  Click to see jones-s21's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add jones-s21 to your friends list Send jones-s21 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for all your help - I have looked at allbreeds pedigree which is very helpful. Many thanks. And I will certainly get in touch with Stourvale Stud. Thank you
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honeybunch
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Posted - 01 Jul 2011 :  12:16:24 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add honeybunch to your friends list Send honeybunch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've looked on ArabDatasource and this is what is listed as bred by your uncle (not including arabs he owned), and none appear to have bred on.
Name Number Foaled Gender Color
LEGEND OF WINTER HILL AHSB*6779 1974 Stallion Grey
STREAK OF FIRE AHSB*6839 1974 Stallion Grey
LADY ISABEL AHSB*7207 1974 Mare Grey
LEGEND OF OAKLANDS AHSB*7473 1975 Mare Grey
PRIDE OF OAKLANDS AHSB*7474 1976 Mare Grey
AILEAN AHSB*7928 1975 Mare Chestnut
JAUNTY AHSB*8281 1976 Stallion Chestnut
SOMETHING SPECIAL AHSB*9037 24-March-1977 Mare Chestnut
BAROS AHSB*10705 1979 Stallion Chestnut
LADY PHILIPPA AHSB*11731 1980 Mare Grey
CHALMONDELEY AHSB*12845 1981 Stallion Grey
*SOMETHING SPECIAL IASB*158 24-March-1977 Mare Grey
PRIDE OF OAKLANDS ITSB*1030 1976 Mare Grey
PRIDE OF OAKLANDS AVS*1481 1976 Mare Grey
LEGEND OF OAKLANDS AVS*1482 1975 Mare Grey
LADY ISABEL AVS*1520 1974 Mare Grey

Double entries are where the horse has been exported and re-registered.
Crystal Dew only had one foal - Golden Domino, who went to America.
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jones-s21
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Posted - 02 Jul 2011 :  5:44:50 PM  Show Profile  Click to see jones-s21's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add jones-s21 to your friends list Send jones-s21 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you very much for that. Is the Arabdatasource something I could log onto? I think a lot of the horses may have been registered under Mrs Scott's name (my uncle's partner) until she died. Also, have you heard of a lady called Eileen Thomas? There are lots of cards from her to Mrs Scott. Many thanks.
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 02 Jul 2011 :  6:13:46 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
hello and welcome , you sound like a very interesting person to have here on Alines


www.dreamfield-arabians.com
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jones-s21
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Posted - 02 Jul 2011 :  8:31:56 PM  Show Profile  Click to see jones-s21's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add jones-s21 to your friends list Send jones-s21 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you. I am currently trying to find out as much as I can about Isobel Scott and my uncle and their arabs. Mrs Scott had a great influence over me when I was young - I learned to ride on her recalcitrant welsh pony and used to accompany her to shows. I absolutely loved her horses but never knew there was much more to arab breeding - it was only recently I realised her arabs may be a bit special, I think mostly of crabbet blood, but I am still learning as I don't know much about this. I was looking through some of uncle's paperwork today - and out fell a photograph which said 'greeting from Crabbet stud' to Mrs Scott. My mum is convinced she has spoken to Mrs Scott about Lady Wentworth, but whether or not she knew her I don't know. I can remember the traumas and the highs - the day Crystal Dew died foaling and when Golden Domino won some award at the AHS show and was exported to Texas. Its a shame I want to find out now when they are both long gone to a better place!
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  09:14:59 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
never too late , I used to ride an Arabian mare back in the 50's at the time when the Crabbet stud was disbanded and the same year lady Wentworth died, with the help of the good people here on a/lines we managed to trace one of her descendants alive today, I will try and find the link to the thread later


www.dreamfield-arabians.com
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  09:20:39 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
this is the link
http://www.arabianlines.com/forum1/topic_new.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=27507


www.dreamfield-arabians.com
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misterei
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  09:45:02 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add misterei to your friends list Send misterei a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Another thing to try is a search on google, sometimes add the name scott or the mare velutina, and see what comes up. I thought the name Wasel Gerwazy sounded Polish, and a google search found him on Allbreedpedigree. His sire Gerwazy was born in Poland from some very fine blood imported in 1960 by Patricia Lindsay. The dam of Wasel Gerwazy was Velutina.
ALlbreedpedigree shows Wasel Gerwazy produced around 40 pure bred and part bred offspring, so you may find many descendents if you trace their off-spring.

It's so nice to know that great things come from Bletchley - Arabs

Enjoy your searching!

edited to add - just found a link to Old Harts Farm and in the pedigree of a Palomino - Tempest Trojan Warrior - there is an AHS Premium stallion called Hanem who was by Wasel Gerwazy. This is the link to the page (hope this is ok for AL)

http://www.oldharts.freeserve.co.uk/stallions-new.htm

Here they are


Emira......Mazie...Fharida.....Shahi......Mazie.....Saffee..Malika...Emira
More at www.purespiritarabians.com

Edited by - misterei on 03 Jul 2011 09:49:20 AM
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jones-s21
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  10:13:31 AM  Show Profile  Click to see jones-s21's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add jones-s21 to your friends list Send jones-s21 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tee hee! Take your point about Bletchley. Can you believe that the Old Farm Stud is now smack underneath Milton Keynes Central railway station... I doubt if the people waiting for the 8.00 to Euston would believe what went on where they were standing. I've got some wonderful pictures of the arabs if I could only work out how to post them on the site - I might have to get my son onto it!
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Callisto
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  10:30:10 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Callisto to your friends list Send Callisto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Found this by googling Hanem:-

Sitara- Farres(R) x Hanem(R), grey Sandicast Arabian. Imported from AL-Mohamadia Arabian Stud. Has lines to Ruminaja Ali, El Mareekh, Thee Egyptian Prince, Anasta Ibn Halima, Madkour, Moniet El Nefous, and Morafic. Lovely little mare with expression and movement.

On the Durraya Website in Washington USA

Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
Linda
East Sussex

Edited by - Callisto on 03 Jul 2011 12:17:01 PM
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  11:09:28 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
if you want to PM me for my e mail addy ,I will gladly post them for you


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Tomos
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  11:58:04 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tomos to your friends list Send Tomos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Welcome to AL, it sounds like you've got a treasure chest waiting to be opened ! You could try contacting the Crabbet Organization for further help.

Lynda, I've just read your old thread, I don't know if you managed to get any further but I had a quick look in the 1979 stud directory and a Mr & Mrs D.C. Glass owned Symphony and Solanda at that time, I know this is a very, very long shot but their address was Islington Farm, Wells, Somerset,

Mandy

"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind" Gandhi

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www.thewelshcrabbetshow.org.uk
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  12:39:26 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
first of S jones superb pictures coming your way




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Edited by - LYNDILOU on 03 Jul 2011 1:02:00 PM
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  1:06:46 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Mandy , I think we concluded that due to the markings discription and the age , plus there was no ther name thar resembled Create other than karit, that it must have been her ? anyway it sort of got forgotten until this thread came up now I really must get some work done


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JESSIEMAE
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  1:23:11 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JESSIEMAE to your friends list Send JESSIEMAE a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Beautiful, beautiful pictures, thank you so much for sharing them and thanks to Lynda for posting them.

Liza
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georgiauk
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  1:28:26 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add georgiauk to your friends list Send georgiauk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Fabulous Pictures 8)
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Callisto
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  2:29:50 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Callisto to your friends list Send Callisto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gorgeous photos!

Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
Linda
East Sussex
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alison
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  2:29:58 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alison to your friends list Send alison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Welcome to AL and what absolutely stunning pictures, the horses all look superb it looks like the lovely chestnut mare had twin foals!!!
Hope you find out all the info you need good luck with your search.

Alison
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  2:40:14 PM  Show Profile  Send Honeyb060674 an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add Honeyb060674 to your friends list Send Honeyb060674 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Welcome to Al and thankyou for sharing those wonderful pics! What beautiful crabbets love them all, stunning stallion 3rd pic in & those twins..yummy


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jones-s21
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  2:55:46 PM  Show Profile  Click to see jones-s21's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add jones-s21 to your friends list Send jones-s21 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi there - thank you, I know Mrs Scott would be so thrilled that her horses still were being appreciated, she absolutely loved them like they were her children. The first picture is Crystal Dew, the second is Crystal Dew with Golden Domino at foot, the 3rd is Golden Domino in Texas. The fourth is I think Indian Gold (not one of Mrs Scotts), 5th picture again not one of Mrs Scott's but a horse called Shades of Night with two foals, last picture is Mrs Scott's mare, Velutina. Thank you so much to Lynda for putting them on for me.
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  4:14:42 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add debs to your friends list Send debs a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How lovely!

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Posted - 08 Jul 2011 :  8:58:59 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add georgiauk to your friends list Send georgiauk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Lovely to see another picture of Shades of Night and her Heavenly Twins, interestingly I have a descendant of hers also a twin 8)
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Originally posted by georgiauk

Lovely to see another picture of Shades of Night and her Heavenly Twins, interestingly I have a descendant of hers also a twin 8)


Have to agree!!

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