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saddlebred
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Posted - 25 May 2010 :  10:46:28 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add saddlebred to your friends list Send saddlebred a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My foal has now been lame since 27th April and I am getting worried. Vet came out a couple of weeks ago and diagnosed soft tissue damage around the back of her pastern. She says she is only 3/10ths lame but since then the improvement seems very slow/sporadic.

A more senior vet is booked to come out on Thursday but obviously they cant tell me much from a manual examination. I am wondering whether to get her x-rayed to rule out any hairline fractures.

Diva has been a little star. I decided under vets advice not to keep her in 24x7 because she would run around more but she lets me bandage her leg while she eats her feed with no headcollar or anything.

Can anyone tell me how long this sort of injury is likely to take to heal? and whether you would recommend any scans/x rays. I dont want to pay yet another vet visit just to be told - yes shes lame.

I was so excited about showing her this season. I had sent off all my entries to Saddlebred shows, palomino shows and the Royal Festival of the Horse and she went lame the very next day

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Callisto
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Posted - 26 May 2010 :  08:07:43 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Callisto to your friends list Send Callisto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How about a magnetic boot to help with the healing process?

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poppyandbea
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Posted - 26 May 2010 :  11:38:41 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add poppyandbea to your friends list Send poppyandbea a Private Message  Reply with Quote
might be worth and xray or scan at her age so you know theres nothing going on and if there is you can then treat it,
hope she makes a speedy recovery
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littlearabians
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Posted - 26 May 2010 :  1:19:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit littlearabians's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add littlearabians to your friends list Send littlearabians a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would spend the money on a X Ray, at least you know then.

MSM in the feed can help speed up recovery.

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Pashon2001
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Posted - 26 May 2010 :  4:25:57 PM  Show Profile  Send Pashon2001 an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add Pashon2001 to your friends list Send Pashon2001 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would def get xrays/scans just to rule out any more serious complaint. Better treated sooner than later!!


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saddlebred
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Posted - 26 May 2010 :  9:46:39 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add saddlebred to your friends list Send saddlebred a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks guys. The vet is coming tomorrow with his portable x-ray equipment. Fingers crossed that she will be better soon.

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saddlebred
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Posted - 28 May 2010 :  7:52:44 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add saddlebred to your friends list Send saddlebred a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am struggling to type this through the tears but my vet thinks she has a subchrondial joint cyst on the pastern. From the x rays he things she needs surgery and he thinks the prognosis is poor - may need to fuse the joint which will mean that she is permanently lame.

I am absolutely gutted. She was big when I got her and has been growing quickly but I have been careful what I am feeding her (a properly balanced non protein feed for youngsters). She isnt overweight so I thought I was doing everything right. She was stabled for the first 6 months of her life so I dont know whether that has also contributed to her condition.

Does anyone have any experience with this and and advice please. I cant bear the thought of her spending a lifetime of lameness. She is such a poppet and doesnt deserve all this.


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Vera
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Posted - 28 May 2010 :  8:06:33 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Vera to your friends list Send Vera a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh yes I know all about subchondral bone cysts, Dennis had one in his shoulder joint. I hope you are insured.



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saddlebred
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Posted - 28 May 2010 :  8:12:03 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add saddlebred to your friends list Send saddlebred a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Is he back in work Vera? and what treatment did he have? She is insured and I will pay whatever it takes to get her right.

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Posted - 28 May 2010 :  8:26:39 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Callisto to your friends list Send Callisto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What a dreadful bombshell for you, sincerely hoping that there is a successful treatment available for her, she's such a gorgeous girl.

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Vera
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Posted - 28 May 2010 :  9:37:43 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Vera to your friends list Send Vera a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes he is, he was kicked when he was 5 and has just turned 10. It has been a very long and complicated journey.

You have two things on your side, her age and the lower the cyst in the leg thre greater the success rate. I HIGHLY recommend you ask your vet about Hylartil injections and IRAP. Dennis had both. ALso LOTS of physio.


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fidodido
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Posted - 28 May 2010 :  10:03:25 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fidodido to your friends list Send fidodido a Private Message  Reply with Quote
so sorry to her about your filly and hope that with treatment she will have a positive outcome.

Hugs to you both

Angie
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sarahlock
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Posted - 28 May 2010 :  10:50:37 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sarahlock to your friends list Send sarahlock a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh Debbie im so sorry to hear this , luckily you have got experts on here like Vera who have been through the same, have had a possitive outcome & can give you some helpfull advise , i hope your lovely girl gets better soon XX


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natntaz
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Posted - 28 May 2010 :  10:52:16 PM  Show Profile  Click to see natntaz's MSN Messenger address  Send natntaz a Yahoo! Message Bookmark this reply Add natntaz to your friends list Send natntaz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh sorry to hear this, its never nice but in one so young
seems horrible. Hopfully the treatment will work and she
will grow into a healthy old horse



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jaj
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Posted - 28 May 2010 :  11:31:20 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaj to your friends list Send jaj a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh I'm really sorry to read your worrying news . So hope that surgery can get her as well as possible and that she goes on to lead and happy and full life with you .





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arabian
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Posted - 28 May 2010 :  11:52:13 PM  Show Profile  Click to see arabian's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add arabian to your friends list Send arabian a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thinking of you at this worrying time..sending positive thoughts and warm wishes for a good outcome xxx
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Goldenmane
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Posted - 29 May 2010 :  08:08:37 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Goldenmane to your friends list Send Goldenmane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
She is so beautiful, no advice to offer but sending you a big hug and keep positive.

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moatside
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Posted - 29 May 2010 :  08:45:27 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add moatside to your friends list Send moatside a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hoping for a successful outcome - she has age on her side.

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Kharidian
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Posted - 29 May 2010 :  09:09:09 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kharidian to your friends list Send Kharidian a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So sorry to hear this but hopefully she can be successfully treated.

Keep positive,
Caryn

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BabsR
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Posted - 29 May 2010 :  10:23:38 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BabsR to your friends list Send BabsR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Posted - 28 May 2010 : 8:54:34 PM
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Posted this on your other thread ----------

You are saying your vet "thinks" she has a subcondral bone cyst??

He has done the X-ray so surely, he should know and be able to say for sure, what her problem is. Would get a second opinion before you commit to surgery that will result in a permanent lameness

Foals, yearlings go through growth spurts and varying degrees of slight lameness at times and most grow through the problems associated with same.

Such a worry for you and hope she will soon overcome the lameness
Big Hugs

Babs
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Vera
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Posted - 29 May 2010 :  10:44:14 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Vera to your friends list Send Vera a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Totally agree with Babs - I didn't pick up on the 'thinks' part. Dennis had lots of xrays but the definitive diagnosis was a bone scan.


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saddlebred
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Posted - 29 May 2010 :  12:32:34 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add saddlebred to your friends list Send saddlebred a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks guys. I cant remember whether he said "thinks" or whether it is just wishful thinking on my part that he could be wrong. Having read up about it now though the symptoms - no heat, no swelling, and not consistently lame every stride do point in that direction. she is now very lame in trot though and I want to intervene quickly because I am worried that placing her leg down incorrectly is going to result in conformation defects at this formative age.

My vet wants to do more x-rays because we only did 3 plates because I wanted to rule out bony problems. We were still thinking it was soft tissue damage so the x-ray results were a bit of a shock! I was expecting possibly a chip off the bone but not this.

The cyst though is in exactly the same place as the "heat spot" on the thermal camera photo that I mentioned on another thread.

Thanks for your advice Vera - I will definitely ask about those treatments.

Thanks for your wise words Babs. If she does go for surgery it will be at a specialist hospital anyway so ther will be a second opinion. I have read that there are different types of treatment including bone grafts and injections that will be preferable to any fusion of the joint.

If anyone knows where the best centres are for this sort of treatment I would be very interested. I think Liverpool have been doing some bone grafting and stem cell treatments.

Thanks for your support. I feel a bit better today.

Based Bewdley Worcs
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Susie T
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Posted - 29 May 2010 :  1:13:02 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Susie T to your friends list Send Susie T a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So sorry to hear about your little foal. Your foal is young, and you are doing everything you can, so I am sure she will have the strength to make a good recovery. Hugs x


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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 29 May 2010 :  2:44:18 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barbara.gregory to your friends list Send barbara.gregory a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So sorry to hear that your foal is having all these problems; I do hope it turns out to be nothing serious. Exercise is so important for youngsters. No one should have a foal if they don't have anywhere to turn it out to run and strengthen it's bones and muscles.

My stallion's gelding son was kept in for 23 out of 24 hours as a foal and only fed a handful of economy cubes twice a day, no supplement and very limited grass and exercise and he has had leg problems ever since he has been ridden, very disappointing for his owner who loves him to bits, she bought him as a 6 month old colt and had him gelded soon afterwards when he had settled in his new home. I hasten to add he was not my foal. I have become very good friends with his owner as she wanted to come and see her horse's sire but it is so sad that he is so often lame. She bought a gelding from me and he has never been lame, he is doing very well under saddle.

I will keep my fingers crossed for your filly.

Barbara

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saddlebred
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Posted - 29 May 2010 :  3:03:23 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add saddlebred to your friends list Send saddlebred a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Barbara
I agree with you about the 24 x 7 stabling thing Barbara. I did have concerns about it when I bought her but I knew that she would live out at least in the daytime with me so I thought she would have a better life.

I was also told at vetting that she was big for her age so to be careful not to overfeed her due to growth plates. I have done everything by the book (I thought)but to no avail. She is not overweight but how do you stop them growing?

She is running around now and hardly looks lame. It is all very confusing. Thanks for your kind words.






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mogwai
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Posted - 29 May 2010 :  6:57:39 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mogwai to your friends list Send mogwai a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So sorry you're having problems. Your posts are always so full of love and pride for your horses, it's seems so unfair.
All the best xxx
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