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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 10 Nov 2005 :  08:41:22 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
Of course you are all right, but I still need an input of your thoughts on the most prolific of stallions, so keep it coming believe me there is a reason


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barb
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Posted - 11 Nov 2005 :  08:35:45 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barb to your friends list Send barb a Private Message
My choice of stallion for his world wide influence through his sons and daughters has already been given by Anne, but thought I would add him anyway he is Naseem.
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Anfi
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Posted - 11 Nov 2005 :  10:16:25 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
The stallion Ofir (Kuhailan Haifi x Dziva)should also be on the list. Bred by Janów Podlaski. Imp. from Poland to Russia 1939; Race Record: 1/5 (2-1-2). His 1st foal crop included Wyrwidab Witraz, Witez II, Wielki Szlem, Wilga, & Wierna. His three most famous sons were Witraz, Wielki Szlem Wyrwidab (Wind)and Witez II .

Also the stallion Nabeg (Arax x Nomenklatura) should be on the list. Sire of stallions such as Nariadni, Menes, Nadejni, Neman, Peleng, Pesniar and Princip. The list goes on and on.

Anne




I Do What I Can and I Am What I Am - Fay Weldon

Edited by - Anfi on 11 Nov 2005 10:46:04 AM
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suneanarab
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Posted - 11 Nov 2005 :  11:02:32 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add suneanarab to your friends list Send suneanarab a Private Message
all i can say is that all my horses have the greatest crabbet stallions. the more i research the more they cross to skoronek, indian king and silver vanity. spider has el shaklan of course, but who is to say what would go on to be concidered influential from our times.

i'm affraid that i wouldn't use most of the so called fashionable stallions on my mares. i think that fashion blinds people to the real horse in front of them and the stock that they actually produce. i agree with mike that most people no longer stick to long term plans any more. but then i think that money has alot to do with that, or rather the lack of it. everything costs so much more these days, yet it seems easier to have a horse and easier still to breed from it. this has resulted in far to many horses on the market makeing it harder to sell the best quality horses for their true value.

in the days of the blunts it was easier to stick to breeding as there were to few arabs and many people wanting to buy them. most of the horses that are producing loads of foals for a couple of years (for it's fashion) will soon be left behind. those hwo sit quietly at home breeding great quality but in small ammounts will hopefully be the shining stars in the future. after all it only takes one great click between 2 horses to make a dinesty.

suzanne walsh
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Libby Frost
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Posted - 11 Nov 2005 :  11:04:00 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Libby Frost to your friends list Send Libby Frost a Private Message
Well said.

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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 11 Nov 2005 :  12:02:11 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
i agree with you Suzanne! look at the horses in your signiture they are lovely, the problem with me is long term breeding Is the way to go but I dont have the time, I have been breeding for about 15 years yet I am only just starting my second generation programme! I am 60 now so will not be around to see my dreams come to fruition, I wish I had been in the enviable position that some have, starting young and with enough money to see them through, oh well mustn't grumble I have been luckier than most, my stallion has all the lines I so admire, he is beautiful beyond words and he lives with me ! how lucky can one person get!


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suneanarab
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Posted - 12 Nov 2005 :  1:04:18 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add suneanarab to your friends list Send suneanarab a Private Message
hi,

we had been breeding for 12 years when we took the desision to stop last year. it's heart breaking as my homebred mares were ready to cover. but i will still use 2 of them. one comes back to me as part of her lease and the other is only 3. we will be using them for hispano's

suzanne walsh
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Lynda
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Posted - 12 Nov 2005 :  2:23:01 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lynda to your friends list Send Lynda a Private Message
Would anyone like to contribute to the Arabianlines magazine. We would really like to have articles on stallions and mares of yester-year, and there seem to be many highly knowledgeable folk here.
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Stevie
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Posted - 19 Nov 2005 :  3:32:05 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stevie to your friends list Send Stevie a Private Message
I rather like Ansata lbn Halima
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 19 Nov 2005 :  3:37:09 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
Yes I would agree he has been the most prolific of stallions but is that because of careful selection do you think ?


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Stevie
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Posted - 24 Nov 2005 :  9:07:11 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stevie to your friends list Send Stevie a Private Message
Ansata are very selective with there breeding,thankfully.But when the babies leave you have to trust the new owners are equally-talanted.The sons and daugther's (grandget greatgrantget) of this great stallion are in many stud around the world.The one and only Aliha is just one of his granddaugther and like wot she did
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Evie
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Posted - 24 Nov 2005 :  10:02:12 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Evie's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add Evie to your friends list Send Evie a Private Message
Rissalix? He definitely appears in a lot of horses' pedigrees.

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Evie
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Posted - 24 Nov 2005 :  10:03:46 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Evie's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add Evie to your friends list Send Evie a Private Message
and is of course the sire of Mikeno

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Sundance
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Posted - 19 Dec 2005 :  10:07:58 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sundance to your friends list Send Sundance a Private Message

For me I think Aswan is the most influential stallion of the last 100 years personally. He is in the pedigrees of many top race and show horses - Karat being his most recent relative to achieve considerable success. He's also the sire of Klarnet who sired several decent race winners notably the superb Silvena as well as Champion race broodmare Cikada.

Others that spring to mind is Mikeno, Indian Magic and Blue Domino on the Crabbet side as they are a strong influence in both showing, endurance and racing pedigrees.

Polish wise Nabeg has had a great influence in both the showing and performance fields.

Paul
Zayin Arabian Stud

Paul
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Libby Frost
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Posted - 19 Dec 2005 :  10:17:44 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Libby Frost to your friends list Send Libby Frost a Private Message
And the Mikeno family can MOVE PROPERLY!!!

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Emma Maxwell
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Posted - 19 Dec 2005 :  1:17:34 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Emma Maxwell to your friends list Send Emma Maxwell a Private Message
Worldwide - I can't find enough reasons to place any stallion over and above Nazeer - although a valid argument could be put forward for Skowronek.

Nazeer's most important triumvirate of sons have dominated successful sirelines all round the world.

Morafic - is the tail male sire line of Ruminaja Ali who has Thee Desperado, Ali Jamaal and Gazal al Shaqab in his descendents.
The Egyptian Prince - Prince Fa Moniet - Ansata Sinan
Shaker el Masri - El Shaklan etc.
both European Champion sporthorse horse and reserve for 2004 were both Morafic descended stallions through Sinan and Shaker el Masri.

Ansata Ibn Halima - Ansata Halim Shah - Salaa el Dine - Ashhal al Rayyan - Al Adeed al Shaqab etc
Ansata Imperial - Imperial Imdal - etc

Aswan - Palas
Patron - Padron - Padron's Psyche, etc

And then some 'less ' important sons Hadban Enzahi / Kaisoon / Talal. Even Ralvon Elijah belonged to the Nazeer sireline through Talal.

We once owned a mare whose every great grandsire was Nazeer - I cannot imagine having a normal horse with this degree of linebreeding to any other stallion. In fact I think the last stallion this kind of linebreeding existed to was Skowronek.

So my vote is Nazeer - he has an interestuinf life story too being rescued from obscurity and partbred breeding at the age of 16 or 17.
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 19 Dec 2005 :  1:26:27 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
I agree with you Emma, and so I think Nazeer it has to be! would you be kind enough to put an article together on this most interesting horse for our next online magazine? Please? as you know it goes out worldwide and will be read by thousands of Arabian lovers!


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