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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 :  10:59:54 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
Who do consider the most influential stallion in the last 100 years and why? all answers appriciated


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Libby Frost
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 :  12:48:24 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Libby Frost to your friends list Send Libby Frost a Private Message
I would consider the very beautiful Indian King to be very influential as he features hugely in our breeding through our stallion Tarib,Indian king being his G G grandfather, through the eternally beautiful Crystal Magician Tarib's grandfather,this is on a personal level of course.
I would also like to add he was the grandfather of the wonderful Dancing Queen.

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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 :  4:19:27 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
He is also Minuettes great grandfather


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Libby Frost
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 :  5:23:33 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Libby Frost to your friends list Send Libby Frost a Private Message
And oh so beautiful!!

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shotgunblues
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 :  7:05:57 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shotgunblues to your friends list Send shotgunblues a Private Message
Indian King is my horses GGG Grandfather too!

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Libby Frost
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Posted - 04 Nov 2005 :  7:37:01 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Libby Frost to your friends list Send Libby Frost a Private Message
Ludo is another stallion of influence he has such descendants as Donax,Ahmoun and Ludovici the dam of Blue Lucius (Puff to his friends!)And it also ties our breeding in as Ghibli was by ludo out of Yasmina, Tarib's sire.

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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 :  10:38:23 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
thanks for that, can you cast your nets a bit farther now? I am talking world infulences??


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Libby Frost
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 :  12:07:02 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Libby Frost to your friends list Send Libby Frost a Private Message
Ok how about Ralvon Pilgrim?Grandsire of the awesome Ralvon Elijah,i think he made a contribution certainly in the last 20 years ,through Elijah's stock i think Elijah himself was a horse ahead of his time but he certainly made an impression on us here in the UK in the early 80's.

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Nick
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 :  12:19:22 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Nick to your friends list Send Nick a Private Message
El Shaklan as made such a impact,Reading this thread we have eight
female Arabians, Six are El Shaklan related within three generations
and a few are multiple El Shaklans on both sire and dam lines,
And we are breeding next year to two of his sons,One of our non related females is already in foal to a GG/Grandson and the other we will covered by a relation,
No bloodline is perfect one of the main reasons we like this bloodline is temprement,and the ability to light up in the showring
Angels with a "engine"
No doubt fashion will come and go but we think El Shaklan will survive the test of time
Nick and Mair Blackbridge Arabians
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 :  12:58:45 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
I agree with you Nick and he has to be one of the all time greats for prepotency, do you think you can have too many lines to him though? just an interested question? ( I also have him several times in some of my pedigrees)!
anymore suggestions folks?


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BobandEna
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 :  1:25:38 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Libby,
This is for you
Ralvon Pilgrim 1969(RIKHAM ex TRIX SILVER)



Nick my friend this is for you
El Shaklan (Shaker el Masri x Estopa)



And now my chioce, So many good Stallions to pick from, but this one, you will find on more pedigrees than most others.

HIS NAME IS ----MESAOUD 1887(Aziz - Yemameh)






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Bob

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Libby Frost
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 :  1:36:42 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Libby Frost to your friends list Send Libby Frost a Private Message
Thanks for the pic Bob!!

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Nick
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 :  1:57:40 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Nick to your friends list Send Nick a Private Message
Linda we have often talked about to much El Shaklan but come back to the same answer they suit us
We have Egyptian/Spanish/Polish and our favourite ingrediant Crabbet
but no Russian but a case could be made for Russians being recycled
Crabbet,
We like Straight Egyptian sires but have no favourite horse or bloodline,But like all the Dam lines to be good,Great Stallions
tend to have great mothers,and that is a big part in our selection process
Fashion does come and go,and many great Stallions are not used enough as they fall out of the public eye many chosing to pick current show champions instead of the old boys many with proven stock
Dig deep to your homework we are using two horses in their twenties next year as well as a very young Stallion
We have never bred to many maybe we have been to conservative but finding homes is so hardThis as curtailed our efforts in hindsight we should have bred more we only wish there was more "grass roots"
breeders to sell our stock to but modern day showing is moving away from breeding buying and instant gratification seems more of the order of the day,
Bob thanks for the photo,(My photo in the online magazine in the pink jumper catching Zeezeetop may become a "classic"
Dragon
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Anfi
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 :  3:33:52 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Hi Bob,

I agree with Mesaoud, but he was born 115 years ago so I don't know if he is too old

I don't think we can omit Nazeer when discussing influential sires - through Aswan in Russia, Hadban Enzahi, Galal and Kaisoon in Germany, Alaa El Din, Ansata Ibn Halima and Morafic in the States and many many more. His influence has been and is enormous and even if one can feel that many breeders have used his bloodlines to the exclusion of anything else, there is no denying his influence.

Skowronek also deserves mention as he has been hugely influential with descendants all over the world. He really was immensely important to the breed.

Anne




El Shaklan



Skowronek



Nazeer



Negatiw - a Skowronek grandson through Naseem and a gggrandson of Mesaoud through the dam of his sire

BTW, Indian King traced 6 times to Mesaoud and was a gggrandson of Skowronek through his dam Indian Pride.




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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 05 Nov 2005 :  6:13:06 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
This topic is going pretty much as I expected and as you may gather we are trying to find out what you the Arabian enthusiast thinks is the greatest influential stallion of all time, maybe there is not just one but many! all the stallions mentioned so far have made a huge impact on the breed, any more ??


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Libby Frost
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Posted - 06 Nov 2005 :  1:02:25 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Libby Frost to your friends list Send Libby Frost a Private Message
Silver Vanity? Born 1950,very influential i'd say with sons such as Hanif,G daughters such as Zarafah,Silver Indrette grandsons Silver Flame G G G grandaughter Azeme Bint Gleam,through which the lovely horses of Gillian Lancaster's Aboud and the wonderful Aureme and Star of The seasons are bred.

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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 07 Nov 2005 :  08:34:22 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
I need you to cast your nets out farther, worldwide, and as far back or as near as you like, problem with near is the mark of a good stallion is his prepotency to mark himself through his sons And daughters down the generations and horses of today dont have the time yet, although it has to be said Padron psyche, ali Jammal, Halim Shah, and the british bred Carmargue have to be the front runners in leaving their mark, any more suggestions ?


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Anfi
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Posted - 07 Nov 2005 :  8:55:40 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message

Kasmeyn aka Kazmeen can be found in many, many pedigrees today, SE and Crabbet alike Perhaps Mike can tell us more about him?

Anfi




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BobandEna
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Posted - 08 Nov 2005 :  9:20:54 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
What you are doing is setting seeds to no ware How do you decide if your stallion is the base of a family Could the Grandfather or the Grandmother be the real Stars of this SHOW Too many people are too willing to express their opinionseven if they are guessing. If I may, I would like to take you all back to the DESERT

Maybe, just Maybe THEY are the BIG STARS OF THIS SHOW

What do "U" THINK

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Bob

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Libby Frost
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Posted - 08 Nov 2005 :  9:26:08 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Libby Frost to your friends list Send Libby Frost a Private Message
Right on Bob!

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Sadika
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Posted - 08 Nov 2005 :  9:50:13 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sadika to your friends list Send Sadika a Private Message
Crystal balls needed for this!!!! Can I ask: in a 100 years time which of the present day stallions will be considered influential?????? I ask this thinking of the UK in particular because to me there seems to be alot of stallions around but VERY few sire enough foals to give them a chance of being influential...

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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 09 Nov 2005 :  08:06:16 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
There is a reason to this thread Bob, as you will find out in our next wonderful online magazine so come on thinking caps on !


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Roseanne
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Posted - 09 Nov 2005 :  8:44:02 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Roseanne to your friends list Send Roseanne a Private Message
Marilyn, isn't there a possibility of current 'fashionable' stallions, which may be used for breeding very widely for a couple of years, being forgotten in spite of their prolific use?
I haven't been involved with breeding as such but I have seen several fashions come and go and among those who want to buy, the 'best' names of three of four years ago seem less desirable and wanted than the new 'best' names...
The old ones people have recorded on this section of the Lines seem to have been proved over longer than a season or two in the show ring...

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Libby Frost
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Posted - 09 Nov 2005 :  10:39:25 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Libby Frost to your friends list Send Libby Frost a Private Message
Too right they have !

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Mike
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Posted - 10 Nov 2005 :  01:38:55 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
The way that I see it, the answer to Marilyn's question is a rather depressing "None of them!" Not, I hasten to add the fault of the horses per se, but of a complete lack of any sort of long term breeding programme! The thinking seems to go no further than "let's get some pretty foals on the ground" and then stop! "Breeding for the showring" is a non-starter, particularly so far as the long term viability and good of the breed is concerned. And if you are not one of the very few "trendsetters" how far is one likely to succeed with at best "last years model"?

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Posted - 10 Nov 2005 :  06:48:17 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sadika to your friends list Send Sadika a Private Message
Yes Mike I think you might have "knocked the nail on the head" there!

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