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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 :  07:59:56 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
What about we start a new quiz? questions, some hard, some easy for everyone, it might encourage more people into our quiz room I will start the ball rolling!
question 1. for 5 points can anyone tell me how the bedouin measured their foals to see how big they would grow? ( keep a tag on your points and the one with the most points wins after 20 questions)


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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 :  10:00:25 AM  Show Profile  Click to see K8E's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add K8E to your friends list Send K8E a Private Message
Don't know if this is correct for the Bedouin but we .....

measure from the middle of the knee down to the top of the coronet band, If for example it's 14.5 inches its an estimate of the horse growing around the 14.2 mark???

Just a guess Lynda to get the ball rolling!!!


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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 :  10:40:30 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
Thanks for that katy, but they had a way of measuring which was to them unique I suppose, can you take another guess perhaps? I can see this is going to be a very educational page!


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Anfi
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 :  12:08:40 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Well, I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but they had a way of measuring the circumference of the head with a string and this measurement should equal the distance from the hoof to the withers - or something along those lines. I'm not sure I got it right

I am looking very much forward to learning more about this

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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 :  3:31:21 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
Annne, you have it right about how they measure a horses height, but not how they measure a foal to see what height he will grow, so not quiet there yet! That is the question!


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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 :  5:45:45 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Lynda,
could it be sth along these lines:

"if you take a string and measure from the top of the front cannon bone to the ground, then take the string and hold it up from the foal's elbow, and however far above the withers it reaches, that's how big the foal will be at maturity"




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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 :  5:55:24 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
What if you dont have any string?? come on someone must know !!


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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 :  6:42:13 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Well, string is not hard to get by, even in the desert, but for arguments sake I guess you could measure in hands??



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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 :  7:27:36 PM  Show Profile  Send Pashon2001 an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add Pashon2001 to your friends list Send Pashon2001 a Private Message
I just have visions of this poor bedouin desperately trying to find string in the middle of a desert hehe


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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 :  9:46:16 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angieb to your friends list Send angieb a Private Message
They measured horses with a string, passing it behind animal's ears on to the nape and joining the two ends on the upper lip. The measurement thus fixed serves as a measurement from hoof to withers... but it was then times a figure to get the adult height???

I like this too: The 4 times measured...

Four wide things: forehead, breast, croup and legs.

Four long things: neck, forearms, belly, and haunches.

Four short things: loins, pasterns, ears and tail.


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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 :  10:07:49 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
That is interesting Angie but still not the answer I am looking for, I like the four times measured things, very educational! is the tail supposed to be short? I didnt know that !


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Posted - 11 Oct 2005 :  08:03:20 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
Question 2. How did the Bedouins say a tail should be carried? ( I will leave question 1. until someone answers it, come on get your books out!)


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Posted - 11 Oct 2005 :  10:03:40 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
The tail should be carried like a flag, so that a boy of ten riding a horse should be hidden by the tail when seen from behind and hidden by the neck when seen from the front.

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Posted - 11 Oct 2005 :  10:18:05 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add suneanarab to your friends list Send suneanarab a Private Message
well not sure on bedoins, but i can tell you what i know. i am 5'6", a foal born at 40" will come to the top of my hip, the resulting height will be 15h, 38" born will result in a 14.3h.

it's worked for us every time, though i don't know if it would apply to different breeds but i don't see why not.

as a foal is supposed to be a % of it's parents height at birth, i suppose they could have used this method to calculate the height?

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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 11 Oct 2005 :  11:02:30 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
I should like to give you half the points Anne as you have half the question right Q2, but I really need the correct full answer try again, a clue could be it may be considered controversial today!


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Posted - 11 Oct 2005 :  11:03:29 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
By the way anyone can set a question ! dont leave it all to me !


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Posted - 11 Oct 2005 :  11:44:28 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Is this what you mean, Lynda?


When the foal is born, after having the umbilical cord cut, it is the usual custom to massage it gently with the hands, which have previously been smeared with fat or butter. The tail should be gradually bent upwards and forward. Then the foal's nostrils are rubbed with onion and fresh butter and later it is taken to its mother and taught to suckle. The foal's spine must be massaged for nine days and the raising of the tail continued.


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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 11 Oct 2005 :  2:02:40 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
No sorry Anne, it is not that do you want me to tell? or shall I wait and see if anyone gets it? I suppose there should be a limited time for folk to answer,I will wait a while longer see if anyone can give me the right one


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Posted - 11 Oct 2005 :  5:29:40 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
As regards Q1, a friend of mine says that they measured the foal's height when it was a few days old and multiplied that number by two. The result would indicate the horse's mature height.


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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 11 Oct 2005 :  6:44:21 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
Sorry So Far I haven't had the right answers, I will be going to Dallas on thursday morning so if they have not been answered by tomorrow evening I will tell you then.


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Posted - 11 Oct 2005 :  10:22:05 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spirit to your friends list Send spirit a Private Message
I'm afraid I dont know the answers to either question , but have found it very interesting reading (onions and oil!!!!!!)
Anyway, have a lovely time in Dallas Lynda, just incase I dont speak to you before.


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Posted - 12 Oct 2005 :  08:33:05 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Is this what was missing about the tail carriage, Lynda??

....the tail should be set on, or rather thrown out, in a perfect arch....


and I also found this:

All Arabian horses carry their tails well, and next to the head and its setting on, the tail is the feature which the Arab looks to in judging a horse.
"I have seen mares gallop with their tails out straight as colts, and fit, as the Arabs say, to hang your cloak on,"

Major Upton remarks. A family of horses renowned in the desert is descended from a mare of which the following tradition exists. Her owner was once flying from the enemy, and, being hard pressed, he cast off his cloak in order to relieve the mare of that unnecessary weight. But when, having distanced his pursuers, he halted, what was his surprise to find that his cloak had lodged on the mare's outstretched tail and still hung there! From this incident, the heroine of the tale has figured ever since in the unwritten pedigrees of the desert as "the Arab of the Cloak."

Occasionally, though not often, one sees an American-bred horse, especially if it be a colt, galloping in the pasture with its tail carried so high that the hair divides and falls forward like a streamer. This is a very common sight in the desert.
"I have seen a mare, an Abayan Sherakh," writes Major Upton, "galloping loose, with both head and tail high to an extent such as I could hardly have believed, had I not seen it. Her tail was not only high, but seemed to be right over her back, and, besides streaming out behind like a flag, covered her loins and quarters. It was a splendid sight to one who can appreciate a horse."

A single horseman mounted on a mare that carried her tail in this superb manner, and galloping in the distance, away from the spectator, has often been mistaken in the desert for three horsemen riding abreast



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Posted - 12 Oct 2005 :  09:26:17 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
Guess I had better put this to bed before I go. this was written for the AHS .
A story of a col. Dickenson who was a political agent in Kuwait for many years and spent several of those years living and camping with the bedouin themselves. he says on determining the height at which a foal will grow to reach maturity is as follows, the bedouin will measure the distance between the knee and the hoof with his THUMBS!
this is as follows(A) if the distance between hoof and knee is 17 thumbs the foal will reach 14.2 (B) if it is 18 thumbs the foal will be 14.3 (C) if it is 19 thumbs it will be 15 hands, and so on and so on.
I have also heard of the string measurements but was interested to read this article!
on question 2. the dersert rule is that a horse of true high class will carry his tail high and to one side ! never straight!
I found this amazing as I had always thought a tail should be carried straight and never to one side! ( a WRY tail) for those of a doubting nature this can be found in the 1957 spring edition of the AHS. under Arab methods


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I am very interested in the tail carriage as my new mare carries her tail slightly to one side and I was very worried about it . I shall not worry anymore.

As to the measurement thing I actually measure from elbow to fetlock and double it when the horse is a yearling (legs do not grow from 1 year in length)and this has always given me the correct mature height. Many people have said that my horses would be smaller than they are. My old gelding was always going to be at most 14.3hh according to all who saw him but I measured him as above and made him 15.2hh and he reached exactly 15.2hh. The same goes for Ramak.

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Posted - 12 Oct 2005 :  11:24:18 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jingo to your friends list Send Jingo a Private Message
I suppose it all depends on the size of your thumb

Tail carried to one side isn't this classed as a wry tail

I always knew Verbochka and Basra were REALLY HIGH CLASS

If I can get my foals to stand still long enough I'll get my thumbs working

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Posted - 12 Oct 2005 :  11:33:00 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
As I said Jude I always thought it was a wry tail! Funny cos Minuettes foals always do this and I have for years thought it to be a fault, she is decended in her tail female to Rodania always thought to be a high caste mare!! as for thumbs I forgot to mention it is measured by the side of the leg and I suppose would be best while the foal is laying down and by a man who's thumbs must be bigger than a womans ??


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