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Mike
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  3:58:48 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
How about another two-parter?


Who is the horse and where was this photo taken?

Mike
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BobandEna
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  4:55:58 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Sameh (El Moez X Samira) 1945

At the Farouk Inshass Stud

Bob
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Basilisk
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  5:00:30 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Basilisk to your friends list Send Basilisk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mike

How about another two-parter?


Who is the horse and where was this photo taken?

Mike



Jadaan at the Kellogg Ranch

Keren
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Mike
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  5:02:09 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Hi Bob,

Wrong horse, wrong continent!, look a little closer at the statuette in the top right hand corner.... though rather larger than normal it should seem familiar There are "desert" associations though!

Mike
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Mike
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  5:05:02 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Keren,

Right Country....wrong location, think of somewhere with a little more glamour and glitz!



PS should have said that it is Jadaan (Abbeian X Amran by Deyr) grey 1916.

Just for Bob,
This easy one is SE!


Mike

Edited by - Mike on 03 Jun 2005 5:39:10 PM
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Cate
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  7:31:57 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cate to your friends list Send Cate a Private Message
Hi Mike
I think it is the Hanstead bred horse Oran by Riffal x Astrella. Acquired by Lady Wentworth for Crabbet

Picture taken not sure

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C.J.
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  8:26:03 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Ummmmmmmmm....are you sure that the photo of you entertaining the crowd at Buck House was taken recently Bob? Its just that the weather has been quite nippy over here for this time of year and I noticed members of your 'audience' wearing shorts!

Back to the photos - Yup that's Oran alright, foaled in 1940 and bought by Lady Wentworth in 1944 (He died at Crabbet at 28 years of age). As to the photo of Jadaan (Abbeian x Amran) f. 1916 I imagine its taken on a film lot in Hollywood but I'm not going to say why - someone else can guess who his famous rider was.

Lynda - One easy way to identify El Shaklan is that he had a nick out of the top of his left ear. It was quite distinctive and I've got head shots that I took of him back in 1978 which clearly show it. If I ever figure out how to upload photos into a message I'll post some of them.

Caroline

"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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Mike
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  8:28:28 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Hi Cate, Caroline,

Yes the chestnut is Oran.

This picture might help with the location for Jadaan, here is another pic of him as he was seen by millions around the world. The first picture wasn't taken on a film set though it is in Hollywood



A trivia question, William Cody, Napolean Bonaparte and Wilhelm I of Wurttemberg were all painted riding their favourite horses, can anyone name the three grey arab stallions?

Mike

Edited by - Mike on 03 Jun 2005 8:35:38 PM
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C.J.
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  8:31:27 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Forgot to add about Jadaan - he was totally of Davenport blood and although he had his good points he also suffered from being over at the knees and slightly pigeon-toed. Apparently he passed these defects onto most of his stock so it was reluctantly decided to discontinue his use at stud. Amongst his descendents are Saki and Safika.

Caroline

"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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Mike
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  8:39:30 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Another easy picture question!

Who is this?


Mike
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C.J.
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  8:45:48 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
RALVON ELIJAH! Gorgeous horse and one of my favourites. Oh he was foaled 1978 (Ralvon Nazerene x Mill Hill Sharmal). Hands up who remembers Ralvon Pilgrim winning at Ascot!

Caroline

"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  8:50:57 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
I have scanned this picture closely and sorry Bob but your bum is not in it, you will have to do better than that


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C.J.
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  8:56:25 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Okay - Jadaan ridden by Rudloph Valentino and 'starred'with him in 'The Son of the Sheik.'(This photo is taken from it) Jadaan also appeared in 'Under Two Flags,''The Desert Song,''Beau Ideal,''The Garden of Allah' and had a secondary role to King John (the horse!) in 'The Scarlet Empress.'

Caroline


"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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BobandEna
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  10:08:12 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Caroline,
Mike and I would like to know when do you plan to take your holidays? that way we will get to win a few battles

Must say you are very good (the museum you work for isn't Arabian related is it?)

Lynda,
Hooooo it was me in the photo unfortunately the statue got in the way and the reason it looked sunny was as one AL commented "It was that good it lit up the SKY The people seen leaving quickly, thought I was on fire.

Did you get my e-mail?


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Mike
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 :  10:39:09 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
The first photo of Jadaan, shows him stood next to the Valentino Memorial in Hollywood, Caroline can no doubt tell us the name of the well known writer (in arab horse circles of course) who doubled for Valentino in "The Son of the Sheik"

Hi Bob, not a battle really! This one might be a tad more difficult than the last one.



Mike
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 04 Jun 2005 :  09:55:47 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
Merango was bony's horse Mike, but dont know the others, not very good at this am I!


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BobandEna
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Posted - 04 Jun 2005 :  11:28:48 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Hi Mike,

I notice the "A" team seem to have gone quiet, so could you please help me by giving a clue to the last horse

Bob
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C.J.
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Posted - 04 Jun 2005 :  12:06:04 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Right I'll start my holiday as from today but before I go I'll just say that its been a treat to have something to stretch the little grey cells for a change!

The photo of Jadaan was taken at the Valentino Memorial at DeLongpre Park in Los Angeles on August 23 1933, the seventh anniversary of Valentino's death. As for who doubled for him in the film, I could look this up but don't want to be accused of being a clever clogs so hey....have this one on me! I know the answer to your other two questions but will keep quiet cos I'm now on my hols!

Best wishes

Caroline

PS No the Museum I work in isn't Arab related, couldn't get further away in fact as its the National Motor Museum, Beaulieu - lots of vroom vroom cars and motorcycles! Just put it down to 40+ years involvment with Arabians. Now must dash and pack my bags!

"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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Jingo
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Posted - 04 Jun 2005 :  12:10:34 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jingo to your friends list Send Jingo a Private Message
Oh Bob - I go away for a day and look I miss the chance of seeing your b!!

Please can we have a re-run

Jude
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Mike
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Posted - 04 Jun 2005 :  2:07:20 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Lynda,

You got one!, of the other two, Buffalo Bill's horse was actually owned by a well known cartoonist of the time The third was the foundation stallion for a breeding programme which is still going today, he was also the great grandsire of the horse in the last picture. That's a "free" clue for Bob!

Bob, the photo was taken in Europe towards the end of the 19th century, his name was also used as a prefix by a succesfull stud in the USA. I will post pictures of his grandsire and a grandson if that will help?

Mike
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Mike
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Posted - 04 Jun 2005 :  2:20:46 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
I forgot to mention that Valentino's double for the long and action shots was Carl Schmidt better known as Raswan, one of very few people to name themselves after a horse.. There was incidently nothing wrong with Valentino's ability as a rider, but he was prevented from doing much of the riding in his films for insurance reasons.

Mike
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BobandEna
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Posted - 05 Jun 2005 :  09:14:46 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Hi Mike,
Sorry for not replying sooner, but we have family with us at the moment and that means visiting places and restaurants, so not much time and would you believe IT who should turn up on her holidays------yes it's Caroline. of course we have made her welcome just wish she had not brought Lord Montague’s cars with her hell of a time parking them ALL.

So if you would be so kind as to give me the next clue, I will get my head down With Caroline and try and answer

Regards
Bob

Edited by - BobandEna on 05 Jun 2005 1:36:20 PM
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C.J.
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Posted - 05 Jun 2005 :  1:23:35 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Bob

So pleased you enjoyed my visit with Lord M's cars (no 'E' on the end of Montagu by the way). Which did you like best the 1919 Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost 40/50hp, the 1961 Bluebird or my fav - the 1962 Jaguar 'E' type Roadster???(Now if I could afford one of those!!)

Would love to have a go at answering the latest questions but I did say I was on me hols! However, to give you another clue read Mike's posting of 4 June and then mine of 3 June re Jadaan.

Good luck and have fun (which is what this is about after all!)

Caroline

PS Mike, have you read Mary Jane Parkinson's excellent book on the Kellogg Arabians? The chapters on Carl Schmidt and Raswan are particularly fascinating.

"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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BobandEna
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Posted - 05 Jun 2005 :  9:40:05 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Hi Mike and Caroline,



"AMURATH" 1981 (Tajar III x Koheil III)

Taken at Weil Stud Germany

Why did you choose this horse Mike
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Basilisk
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Posted - 06 Jun 2005 :  12:49:31 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Basilisk to your friends list Send Basilisk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mike

Lynda,

You got one!, of the other two, Buffalo Bill's horse was actually owned by a well known cartoonist of the time The third was the foundation stallion for a breeding programme which is still going today, he was also the great grandsire of the horse in the last picture. That's a "free" clue for Bob!

Bob, the photo was taken in Europe towards the end of the 19th century, his name was also used as a prefix by a succesfull stud in the USA. I will post pictures of his grandsire and a grandson if that will help?


Mike



The cartoonist was Homer Davenport, and the horse was MUSON - 'Buffalo Bill' rode him on a few occasions for publicity purposes.

I am going to dispute "Marengo" though, as recent French research seems to indicate there was never a horse of this name in Napoleon's stud! Napoleon had a number of Arabs, but they did not always keep the same name, and indeed several horses shared one name! Also, if the painting you are referring to is the one known as 'Napoleon crossing the Alps', there is one version which shows him riding a tobiano pinto of Spanish type - definitely NOT an Arab!

"Marengo" appears to be the name given to an Arab horse captured by the British at or after Waterloo which was *exhibited* as "Napoleon's horse" but whether it was or not is a different question!

Keren
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