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Judi
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  10:04:52 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Judi to your friends list Send Judi a Private Message
Just asking. Bint Sabah and Marsianin are in one of our colt foal's pedigree and the above pic looks like a much cleaner version of the one I have.

Judi
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Basilisk
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  12:41:48 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Basilisk to your friends list Send Basilisk a Private Message
Richard Pritzlaff's Bint Moniet el Nefous.

Hello Caroline - sorry I din't get back to you before - life went very pear-shaped! Yes, I remember you winnting that painting...all the hard work has paid off, hasn't it?!

I'm a bit surprised to see no 'newbies' having a go at this...don't people study pedigrees any more?

Keren
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SueB
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  12:51:28 PM  Show Profile  Send SueB an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add SueB to your friends list Send SueB a Private Message
Isn't the photo of Moniet El Nefous? (Shahloul x Wanisa) not Bint Moniet El Nefous, who was by Nazeer out of Moniet el Nefous.

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Marie-Molly
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  1:04:30 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Marie-Molly to your friends list Send Marie-Molly a Private Message
Found it! It's Bint Sabah! Is it?

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Judi
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  2:01:28 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Judi to your friends list Send Judi a Private Message
I still think it could be Bint Sabah. Moniet El Nefous was around in the 40's so more likly the photo would have been in colour, plus her head was much more refined. The picture Bob has put up looks very 1920's to me.....

Judi
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Mike
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  2:21:32 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Just to put you all out of your misery, its Moniet El Nefous as originally suggested by Marylyn. Those who thought that it was Bint Sabah, she was a bay so very unlikely to have any flaxen hair in her mane Though it could have been Sabah who wasn't dissimilar to Moniet in general outline.

Mike
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Judi
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  2:30:54 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Judi to your friends list Send Judi a Private Message
Cheers, Mike. I have only seen colour pics of her, so maybe they are more flattering!

Chuck us another...this is fun!

Judi
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Mike
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  3:12:15 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
How about this stallion?



Mike
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BobandEna
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  3:33:05 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Sorry, the rules are THIS HORSE IS not IS IT or could it be or I think it is.

Mike,
Well done, you’re the first to say her name for sure. For the benefit of our newer Arabian converts, would you care to give a brief resume of Moniet El Nefous Year of birth : 02.02.1946


Jane
You hinted at it last night so well done to you.

Marylin,
I was sure you would get it last night

Sue B
You had it but you said (Isn't the photo of Moniet El Nefous?)

This is a more familiar shot of the same horse.


Photo ?

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Anfi
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  3:58:10 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Nil, 1951 (Sid Abouhom x Malaka).

Anne




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Mike
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  4:36:04 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Moniet El Nefous was a smallish (14H2) very beautiful though flawed chesnut mare with a unique head, which though narrow was very extreme if not particularly "dished" by todays standards. None of her descendants ever quite reproduced her "look". She was the dam of three full sisters by Sid Abouhom, Lubna (the most correct but plainer than her sisters) was the dam of Sultann (by Sameh) and Ghalion (by Morafic). Mouna (the prettiest of the three, though the poorest in conformation) was the dam of Bint Mona (by Nazeeer) who was the dam of TheEgyptianPrince and Mohssen. Mouna was also the dam of Fayrooz as well as Mahiba and Moneera all by Alaa El Din the latter two being exported to Germany. Mouna was also the dam of the chestnut stallion Mehanna by Galal. Mabrouka the middle one of the three full sisters was half-way between the other two in looks and conformation and was the dam of the full siblings Morafic and Ansata Bint Mabrouka.

Moniet El Nefous was also the dam of:

Richard Pritzlaff's Bint Moniet El Nefous and of Fakher El Din both by Nazeer, Tuhotmos by El Sareei, Ibn Moniet El Nefous (sindicated for $250,000 rather more than Northern Dancer at around the same time!) by Morafic, and the stallions Soufian and Ameer both by Alaa El Din. Ibn Moniet El Nefous' son Moniet El Sharaf out of the Pritzlaff bred mare Bint Bint Moniet was sindicated for $17,000,000 though it is doubtfull that all the resulting payments were ever made.

Well done Anne! The photo I posted was of Nil.

How about this one? She did have a foal by one of the stallions pictured earlier by the way



Mike

Edited by - Mike on 27 May 2005 4:45:08 PM
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Anfi
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  5:08:39 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Nitochka (Naseem x Taraszcza)

Anne


Maybe




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Mike
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  5:16:30 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Hi Anne,

Not even close, unfortunately! Perhaps another clue is needed?

Mike
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Anfi
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  5:45:11 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Not even close... hm.....

Om el Sad, then?

Or maybe I should throw the towel in the ring and leave the guessing to the pros

Anne







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Mike
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  5:57:33 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Hi Anne,

No it isn't Om El Saad either, but she was SE, was born the year after and in the same place as the three original Ansata imports. Same sire too!

Mike
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Anfi
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  8:19:24 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Mike,

Well, I'm sorry, but I can't find any Nazeer daughters from the late fifties who have had a foal out of Nil.

I must be looking all the wrong places

Anne




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Mike
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  8:25:28 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Anne,

I didn't say that the sire of the foal was SE, or that the foal was born in Egypt did I

Mike
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BobandEna
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  11:26:07 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Hi Mike,

You have done to me as I did to Marylin last night, just research all night. OK it's Ansata Bint Burka

Bob
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Anfi
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  11:41:11 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Hi Bob,

Did she have a foal by Nil, Salon or Marsianin? I could not find it...

Waiting anxiously for Mike to answer

Anne




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Mike
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Posted - 27 May 2005 :  11:45:31 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Hi Bob,

No it isn't Ansata Bint Bukra, perhaps this one is too difficult so you can set the next one!

A couple more hints, the foal by the stallion mentioned earlier in the thread was exported to South Africa.

This is a picture of one of the mares granddaughters by Kaisoon. Photo by Boiselle



quote:
Did she have a foal by Nil, Salon or Marsianin? I could not find it...


Yes she did!

Mike

Edited by - Mike on 27 May 2005 11:48:32 PM
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Anfi
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Posted - 28 May 2005 :  12:33:00 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Ok Mike,

You got me worn down

I'm off for some shuteye - got an early start tomorrow, (and I'm one hour ahead of you guys) but I must say, I'm really mystified

Anne




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Mike
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Posted - 28 May 2005 :  1:32:58 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Perhaps during your research, it might be worth taking a look at AAB vol I, page 206

Mike
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C.J.
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Posted - 28 May 2005 :  1:33:45 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Right, time for a break from the housework to have a go at answering this....

The mare in the head study is NAZEERAH (Kaisoon x Nadia). NADIA was exported from Egypt to Germany by Carl H Domken (of Ghazal fame) and she was by Amlam (Emam) x FOZE). The mare in your original photo is FOZE (Nazeer x Fathia) f.1959 and later exported to Europe (date?)

Hope this is right, if not its time for me to sit in the corner with a dunces hat!

Caroline

"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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BobandEna
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Posted - 28 May 2005 :  1:44:43 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Just about to e-mail you Mike,

Don't have that book , I know were the photo was taken Tahanoub but I need a little clarifacation on this
quote:
No it isn't Om El Saad either, but she was SE, was born the year after and in the same place as the three original Ansata imports. Same sire too!


SAME SIRE TOO!
Same as the three imports or Om El Saad?

Please don't tell us yet

Bob
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Mike
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Posted - 28 May 2005 :  2:17:20 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Hi Bob,

The mare's sire also sired the three Ansata imports, whilst Om El Saad was bred to him!

A son of the foal exported to South Africa won all his classes inhand, under saddle and in formal driving at the SA Nationals two years ago which isn't bad going!

An alternate route might be to identify the granddaughter by Kaisoon, whose name is not dissimilar to a certain stallion foaled in 1934

Mike
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