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Jingo
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Posted - 09 Jun 2005 :  9:59:24 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jingo to your friends list Send Jingo a Private Message
Caroline I think the nearest is Silver Sheen (altho it looks like Mr Smith) is it Kempton Park. The other mare - a guess Silver Grey.

Jude
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Jingo
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Posted - 09 Jun 2005 :  10:01:02 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jingo to your friends list Send Jingo a Private Message
PS Sorry Bob - what a wonderful write up - thanks for sharing it with us. How lucky were Moment and Princip to have people who adored them.

Jude
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C.J.
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Posted - 10 Jun 2005 :  6:39:08 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Jude - You are absolutely right. The photograph shows Silver Grey (background) and Silver Sheen (foreground) at the 1970 AHS Show at Kempton Park.

Both mares were bred at Crabbet Park, Silver Grey f. 1957 (Royal Diamond x Silver Gilt by Indian Gold) by Lady Wentworth and Silver Sheen f. 1962 (Bright Shadow x Silver Grey) by Mr C G Covey. Silver Sheen was a big winner in hand and at this particular show she was Champion Brood Mare with Foal at Foot and Female Champion of the Show with her dam, Silver Grey, being reserve to her in both cases. Silver Sheen was owned by Mrs E M Thomas at this time.

Caroline

"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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Jingo
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Posted - 10 Jun 2005 :  8:31:26 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jingo to your friends list Send Jingo a Private Message
WOW Carolinethe grey matter has not got control yet You don't know how pleased that makes me feel

Jude
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Jingo
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Posted - 10 Jun 2005 :  8:34:07 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jingo to your friends list Send Jingo a Private Message
Another look at reply - sorry after such excitement Mrs Thomas - never met the great lady - BUT OH what a wonderful eye, great breeding sense and fantastic horses. If you are listening Mrs T Thankyou very much!!!

Jude
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BobandEna
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Posted - 10 Jun 2005 :  9:31:43 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THESE HORSES??????




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Jingo
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Posted - 10 Jun 2005 :  10:26:42 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jingo to your friends list Send Jingo a Private Message
Silver Grey and Silver Gilt - but sorry Bob the grey matter is v. tired at the mo. I'm sure others will give all the details!!!

Jude
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Anfi
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Posted - 11 Jun 2005 :  09:22:05 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
And Silver Fire (Naseem x Somra) on the first photo.
Silver Gilt was by Indian Gold x Silver Fire and Silver Grey was by Royal Diamond x Silver Gilt.


Anne




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BobandEna
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Posted - 11 Jun 2005 :  12:52:06 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
You have missed one,

SO WHAT AM I SAYING???

I'm looking for more than the horses names "A" TEAM"




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C.J.
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Posted - 11 Jun 2005 :  1:12:41 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Jude - I do agree with you about Mrs Thomas; at this same show she also had the following ‘great names’ entered: Silver Blue, Blue Sylphide, Delilah, Enchantment, Maracanda, Azara, Risslana, Silvana II, Lyvia, African Queen, Indira, Silent Wings, Daughter of Darkness and Astur – phew! What a roll call!

Whilst we are on the subject of the ‘Silver’ family, who is the horse in the picture below and what is his connection, if any, to the horses in Bob’s photographs?

Caroline


"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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C.J.
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Posted - 11 Jun 2005 :  1:20:24 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Bob

We've done it again! I spent so long fiddling around with the photograph that I didn't notice that you'd posted a few minutes before me! Soweeeeeee.

Right, we must answer your question first before we move on though I hope you realise that you are responsible for me not doing any housework today - all that jolly washing and ironing to do - oh joy! But answering brain teezers on Arabian horses is much more fun And...there is another smaller photo to the left of the larger three, is that part of the question too?

Will ponder your latest puzzle whilst cleaning the oven ()

Caroline

"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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C.J.
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Posted - 11 Jun 2005 :  1:45:51 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Bob

I realise my last posting didn't make a lot of sense as I mentioned 3 larger photos and have just noticed there's another one (of Silver Sheen)on the extreme right. My display seems to have gone wide screen for some reason so I missed the other pic. Mind you it doesn't help with the oven!

Back to the rubber gloves

Caroline

"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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C.J.
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Posted - 11 Jun 2005 :  2:44:03 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Bob

Your 4 large photos show 4 generations of one family, is that the answer you are looking for?

Silver Fire gry f.1926 (Naseem x Somra) dam of Silver Gilt gry f.1943 (Indian Gold x Silver Fire) dam of Silver Grey f.1957 (Royal Diamond x Silver Gilt) dam of Silver Sheen f.1962 (Bright Shadow x Silver Grey). All 4 bred at Crabbet Park although the first 3 were by Lady Wentworth and last 1 by C.G. Covey.

Caroline

Finished the oven, now onto the ironing

"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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BobandEna
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Posted - 11 Jun 2005 :  3:29:16 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Yes well Done, in fact five generations becuase the verry small first picture is of Somra, this should be of interest to anyone with this blood in their horses.

Balled once more

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BobandEna
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Posted - 11 Jun 2005 :  3:30:38 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Yes well Done, in fact five generations becuase the verry small first picture is of Somra, this should be of interest to anyone with this blood in their horses.

Balled once more

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Jingo
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Posted - 11 Jun 2005 :  6:55:20 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jingo to your friends list Send Jingo a Private Message
Right going out so quick reply. Caroline is the stallion a young Silver Flame (Indian Flame II x Silver Ripple) If answer yes - then connection comes through Silver Ripple's sire Silver Vanity being a son of Silver Gilt. If not, forgive me rambling!!!!

Jude
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Anfi
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Posted - 11 Jun 2005 :  9:00:03 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Bob, Sorry!! I also only saw three horses - hadn't noticed the cinema wide screen thing either

Anne




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C.J.
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Posted - 12 Jun 2005 :  11:05:54 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Jude - Gosh you're good! And I'm thrilled that you managed to identify Silver Sheen and Silver Flame from such small photos (taken on an old Instamatic). Silver Flame f.1970 (Indian Flame II x Silver Ripple) photo taken at the Parade of Arab Stallions held at Crabbet Park in 1977 and, as you say, the connection is through Silver Vanity to Silver Gilt.

Now for something completely different. The painting below is by a well known artist of a famous horse who features in the pedigree of a very popular stallion in the UK. So here's the 3 questions:

1) Who is the horse in the picture?
2) Who is his popular descendent?
3) Where does No 1 fit into No 2's pedigree?

Extra brownie points for naming the artist.

Good luck

Caroline


"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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BobandEna
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Posted - 12 Jun 2005 :  9:08:52 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message


(1) Bey Shah

(2) R-Ali-Bey Magic Dream (Ali Jamaal) X Bey Affair (Bey Shah)

(3) Bey Shah is R-Ali-Bey's grandsire



Artist ??????? Name begins with B



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C.J.
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Posted - 13 Jun 2005 :  2:41:50 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Oh Bob, I'm sorry but Bey Shah and R Ali Bey are not the right answers.

However I can tell you that the horse in the picture does appear in Ali Jamaal's pedigree.

You're also on the right track in that 'his popular descendent' is imported from the USA.

As to the artist, yes, the name begins with a B (probably better known for bronzes).

Thinking cap on!

Caroline

"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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Vygoda
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Posted - 13 Jun 2005 :  3:42:31 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Vygoda to your friends list Send Vygoda a Private Message
Artist: Bogucki

Horse: Bask

This is flying in the dark Caroline!!
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Cate
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Posted - 13 Jun 2005 :  5:40:03 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cate to your friends list Send Cate a Private Message
Is the horse in the picture Fadjur? Not that I'm good at this sort of thing.

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BobandEna
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 :  6:21:26 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Hi Cate,
You are more than welcome to this topic; you will have noticed that it is divided into two groups.

(1) THE "A" TEAM

(2) Me on my TODD.

You will also notice that they are good, very good, so I need some buddies on my team, the good news is It's "U".

After much research I will go with Fadjur see picture below now all we have to do is find a UK based stallion with Fadjur in his pedigree.

I think Jane got the Artist.

I could start a thread on Fadjur and see what comes in



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Cate
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 :  7:03:36 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cate to your friends list Send Cate a Private Message
Hi Bob,
Will do my best, but been wracking my brains on this one and can only think of R Ali Bey & Jullyus JJ having Fadjur through Ali Jamaal's dam Heritage Memory.

Cate

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Pashon2001
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 :  7:24:11 PM  Show Profile  Send Pashon2001 an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add Pashon2001 to your friends list Send Pashon2001 a Private Message
You seem to be going through a list of my horses parents lol!! Ralvon Elijah and Silver Sheen to name just two hehe!!!!!


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