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angelarab
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  08:19:03 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add angelarab to your friends list Send angelarab a Private Message
A new pony has arrived, 6mth cute little sec A bought from auction last week, very concerned this morning green discharge from eyes, pinks now bright red and has been heard coughing by a fellow livery, i lent the girl who bought it my mobile last night to call the vet, The pony has not had any jabs not sure if its wormed, i am not touching it and i am keeping my horse away from it, what do you guys think?

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sammyd0380
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  08:52:41 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sammyd0380 to your friends list Send sammyd0380 a Private Message
Could you isolate him?
Sounds like he's probably picked something up, and could well pass it to other horses on the yard.
Either that, or it could be from the stress of the sales.
Whichever, you need to isolate him from the other horses.

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angelarab
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  08:57:02 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angelarab to your friends list Send angelarab a Private Message
few more points, he was bought last Weds, spent a few days at another yard was taken to a youngstock show sunday and then came to our yard, it's not sounding good poor little mite has only just been weaned i hope it is just stress and not something worse,

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pat ww
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  08:57:22 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pat ww to your friends list Send pat ww a Private Message
The curse of auctions. Especially young or vulnerable animals pick up anything going as they are compromised by the stress. I am so glad I am not where there are newcomer comings and goings. major outbreak of strangles here a few years back due to someone bringing a new horse to the livery yard next door, people from nearby yards going to see new horse etc, it was a major localised epidemic. Responsible yards should have isolation stabling for new horses., more a wsih than a reality.

Hopefully for everyone it is just stress related and confined to the section A, my pure bred foal became ill after going to his first and only show as a baby, yet no contact with other horses there.
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Christine Pollard
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  09:03:22 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Christine Pollard to your friends list Send Christine Pollard a Private Message
Poor little mite think I'd be stressed. Many moons ago when I worked with horses most yards had Isolation boxes and new horses were always put in them. Wherever they came from. Don't think it happens much now. I do hope its nothing that can be past on.
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pat ww
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  09:15:12 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pat ww to your friends list Send pat ww a Private Message
It doesn't sound like the new owner has much idea or she would not have made an impulse buy at Beeston and would have had somewhere suitable arranged in advance, and let him settle before giving him more things to stress his poor little system. Another curse of auctions, the ponies can be cheaper than a decent bridle and far more easily disposable.
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angelarab
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  10:18:33 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angelarab to your friends list Send angelarab a Private Message
will keep you posted on the Vet visit tomorrow

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precious
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  10:55:21 AM  Show Profile  Click to see precious's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add precious to your friends list Send precious a Private Message
If i was you i would keep your horse away and wash hands etc before contact.
The only reason is our yard owner got foals from dartmoor auction and they had slightly runny nose etc and within the next month most horses on our small yard had bad coughs and weird blood results high liver results etc. No vets knew really what it was even after growing it off samples best idea was form of flu bug. Luckily it went after strong antibotics and bloods returned to normal and about a month of us not taking our horses to shows just in case etc but it proved something any new horses are isolated for a couple of weeks unless we know all jabs etc are done.


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jillandlomond
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  12:50:47 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jillandlomond to your friends list Send jillandlomond a Private Message
Bought from an auction ring Wednesday, moved to another yard, then onto a youngstock show on Sunday.....then EVENTUALLY to his new home!! Poor little mite! How very sad indeed


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angelarab
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  1:25:01 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angelarab to your friends list Send angelarab a Private Message
and....she is planning to keep him a colt so he will not get turn out on this yard anyway

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arabic
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  2:07:22 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add arabic to your friends list Send arabic a Private Message
Oh poor little soul. You have to think of the safety of others but my heart cant help but go out to this dear little mite.
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pat ww
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  7:50:42 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pat ww to your friends list Send pat ww a Private Message
Another curse of the abandonment of the horse breeding acts which made it an OFFENCE to keep an unlicensed colt over 2, and had to pass a ministry vet to get a licence. It made people think about keeping entires, there were far fewer, and each had more mares, so warranted keeping their tackle. If I had a pound for evey dumbo who bought a colt foal and were dreamers, I'd not be as poor as I am today!
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Christine Pollard
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  8:03:44 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Christine Pollard to your friends list Send Christine Pollard a Private Message
Gosh Pat don't laugh but I didn't know you didn't need a licence ect. When did all that change and how stupid
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pat ww
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  8:25:15 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pat ww to your friends list Send pat ww a Private Message
I think the original acts were about 1948, and were in force in the sixties. By the time we got a pure bred colt in 1992 we only needed a licence issued by the breed society under whatever method they chose to give a licence in order to register with the breed society.

Arabs needed a vet exam, nothing too stranuous, no parrot mouth, shiverer and simple heart /lung / eye exams, as 2 year olds could be licensed no performance under hard work necessary. The shetland pony society were tougher, had to pass a panel inspection as wel as vet and not all were automatically passed by the panel.

I asked my vet when he came out what happens to horses without a breed society, his answer, he didn't know and presumed there was no need for them as progeny would not be getting registered.

No wonder there are so many cr** horses out there, at least in the 'good old days' at least stallions were passed as sound and relatively free from genetic defects.

Even our Arabs now dont need a vetting, just entering as breeding stock and hey presto, you can register your foal.

Slipery slope once started gathers momentum.
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angelarab
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Posted - 17 Oct 2008 :  08:14:32 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angelarab to your friends list Send angelarab a Private Message
conjunctivitus,vet said (sp?) thank goodness for the little foal he is such a charming chap.

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pat ww
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Posted - 17 Oct 2008 :  08:20:37 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pat ww to your friends list Send pat ww a Private Message
conjunctivitis in human form is highly contagious, please ensure anyone handling him does not touch other horses.
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angelarab
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Posted - 17 Oct 2008 :  08:33:05 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angelarab to your friends list Send angelarab a Private Message
Thanks Pat WW Baz and i are off limits to the pony and i think most of the other smart livery people are too.

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ashabarab
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Posted - 17 Oct 2008 :  11:55:29 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ashabarab to your friends list Send ashabarab a Private Message
unless your yard owner is very strict your whole yard could get it..this travels like wild fire in humans...and so l have been told horses

ask your vet about it, and what you should be doing to protect the other horses and possibly the humans too

ash
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angelarab
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Posted - 17 Oct 2008 :  1:04:11 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angelarab to your friends list Send angelarab a Private Message
y/o very blase about most things hence me looking for new place

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ashabarab
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Posted - 17 Oct 2008 :  1:56:18 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ashabarab to your friends list Send ashabarab a Private Message
l don't blame you..sounds like you would be better off in another yard..saying that l bet your yard owner will change the tune if it is there horse that gets it

good luck

ash
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angelarab
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Posted - 16 Nov 2008 :  9:08:55 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angelarab to your friends list Send angelarab a Private Message
just a little update for you.The poor little mite has been ill since he arrived his discharged cleared up, but he still has a terrible cough, maybe copd? he also ended up with an absess in his neck half the size of a football after his flu/tet, which was finally lanced yesterday after two weeks of antibiotics and bute! he was so sad and down yesterday i made her get the vet, he could hardly move as his neck is so swollen. For an impulse buy the vet bill is at almost 400 yup not insured. He is such a sweet little colt and he still has to have his boy bits lopped! what a start for a little 7mth old foal send him some tlc karma for me he needs it

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pat ww
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Posted - 16 Nov 2008 :  10:04:32 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pat ww to your friends list Send pat ww a Private Message
here I am shaking my head. I hope for his sake he starts to show some improvement, would not be a 400 bill for a calf / lamb, but then it wouldn't have had that degree of trauma. The insurance companies are savvy, they don't cover for the first couple of weeks, so you can't even take any preventative steps for the big bills you can get with a purchase.
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phoenixbruka
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Posted - 17 Nov 2008 :  5:48:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit phoenixbruka's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add phoenixbruka to your friends list Send phoenixbruka a Private Message
I hope the vet has tested for strangles .. depressed, runny nose and eyes and absess on the throat ???

I'd be worried


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tegzidoll
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Posted - 22 May 2009 :  5:06:14 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tegzidoll to your friends list Send tegzidoll a Private Message
If it is strangles then get the pony quarentined. We did everything the vet said and no one on the yard got it.. Not even my other horse..Stress can bring out strangles. Some horses can carry it for 6 months and not get affected...thats the worse sort
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BabsR
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Posted - 22 May 2009 :  6:00:20 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BabsR to your friends list Send BabsR a Private Message
Getting colts licenced....Particularly Thoroughbreds, is a hard task as we found out many years ago (when stallions had to be licenced in order that their progeny could be registered with Breed Societies)

We bred a lovely small TB colt, with plans to breed to our homebred Anglo mares and to cover visiting mares for larger Riding Ponies and small hacks.....Problem...TB stallions do not have to be licenced to register TB foals

We were not prepared to use Sunray Scinnamon unless we could get him licenced as wanted assurance from a veterinary examination, he was worthy of being a stallion. After approaching various breed societies......AHS (no...not TB, even though he would be used for producing Anglos) H.I.S (no...too small) N.P.S. no....too big)

At that time Hunter Pony Stud Book had been introduced....No...they did not licence stallions, but would register him on his winnings record, and his progeny would be accepted in Hunter Pony Stud Book.

Shortly after, NPS took over the Hunter Pony Stud Book....and following a long conversation explaining our dilemma, they agreed to issue a stallion licence, subject to their criteria and veterinary examination......Success, he passed!!

Our Jess (1984) ....He was a perfect gentleman

No longer with us... now grazing the green fields across the Rainbow Bridge .. He left a dynasty of successful progeny, and a race winner


I think stallion licencing should be compulsory.....would help reduce the number of unwanted foals at sales, ending up at abattoirs.

Babs

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Edited by - BabsR on 22 May 2009 6:04:24 PM
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Montikka
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Posted - 26 May 2009 :  03:02:16 AM  Show Profile  Send Montikka an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add Montikka to your friends list Send Montikka a Private Message
I imagine the lump in his neck is an 'injection reaction' if it's at the site of the jabs. This happened to one of ours and she now has a permanent lump It is a very unpleasant, angry and weepy condition but shouldn't be confused with strangles.

I am absolutely disgusted at the way this poor little chap has been shunted around. No wonder he's catching everything going.

Completely agree with Pat ww and Babs - Licensed stallions only (I think there is another thread on this subject).

Edited to say: get well soon little one


Louise, Warwickshire

Edited by - Montikka on 26 May 2009 03:15:44 AM
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