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mittens
Posted - 11 Apr 2010 : 9:19:35 PM Hi all,not been on here much as so many things going wrong at once but this concerns my mare. Three weeks ago she seemed really off colour and depressed,not showing the usual interest in her carrots;basically ignoring them. Still eating hard feed and haylage but I did think it could be her teeth so I called the vet to check her over. Teeth not bad and no sign of infection etc.Temperature normal. She took bloods and the result showed low white blood count. Further results showed liver problems and the prognosis was not good. She was put on antibiotic jabs daily and vitamin jabs every 5 days.She has lost weight. I wrote last year of the abundance of ragwort and my daily battle with the stuff but as I was pulling it up I had sectioned off the areas where it still was so the horses couldnt get through. Whinney however kept going through the electric to get to the field it was still in as there was lots of grass so perhaps inadvertently picked it up. Other horses all fine though. Whinney then went on to need 4 X 120ml orally syringed lactulose daily. sticky horrible stuff but vet said it would get rid of excess ammonia in her system to stop any brain damage as she seemed fuzzy and "drunk".Vet came again and said we should consider our only option to put her down as things will only get worse. We are all devasted,spoke to animal communicator and she picked up overnight and ate and drank normally and seemed fine,even vet agreed she looked "normal". Today she has gone all depressed again and we're at a loss. I dont feel ready to give up on her though.She's 14.She's also very itchy around head.I dont want her to suffer but where theres life theres hope and I still feel a fight in her.Any advice or suggested approaches? Wiped out the ragwort and not even a rosette now and plenty of grass as usual.Feel to blame as she obviously ate something of it despite our best efforts to keep her off,or could it be something else? Without a biopsy (very risky) we wont know for sure.
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pintoarabian
Posted - 12 May 2010 : 9:39:14 PM It's all part of the grieving process and we all do this in our own way. Things will get better, you will start to remember the good times and the painful memories will soften with time. You did all that you did for the right reasons...for Whinney and the love you had for her. So many horses do not know what Whinney knew, a life full of love and companionship, never knowing fear or hunger. Treasure the memories of the feel of her breath on your face, the soft touch of her muzzle, the sound of her eating and the gentleness of her eyes. You meant as much to her as she did to you. Feel pride, not sorrow. She blessed your life and you hers. Your mum will help you to get through this. She understands and will be your rock. Take each day at a time.
mittens
Posted - 12 May 2010 : 9:11:46 PM A week today and I'm now I'm kicking myself I didn't send her to the vets,but then maybe she'd have been really unhappy there.I do think I'm going slightly doolally with what-iffing but maybe I need to blame someone and that someone might as well be me.A sad day remembering the events of last week. Sorry I'm still going on!
Pop
Posted - 12 May 2010 : 2:38:26 PM I feel so sorry for you Mittens; and I know so well about the square eyes, endless reading and trying to understand what is best to do. Its no surprise you go round and round in circles about what was best to do. Who knows what the right call is, Angel2002 made her call and came out fine, I made my call, which was different, and mine came out fine - so what do you do.
If it is any comfort, I didn't have the biopsy. Two reasons 1. I know my pony and she was having so many needles, scrubbing and so on that she was becoming very very depressed indeed, 2. That the full blood tests gave a significant amount of information, including lots of information about infection.
I made many enquiries into what the different treatments might be based on the result of the Biopsy. Given that there was lots of information from the blood samples/liver profile (which did not require sedation) it seems (and I simplify) that, for the most part, it would tell me if she has something which was certain to kill her (e.g. tumor), or the other option, i.e may/will get better, in which case the treatment options would be pretty much the same.
I decided to treat her for 'might/will survive', which would do her no harm if she has something terminal.
So we dealt with the infection shown in the blood test, and treated her liver, which covered conventional vet medicines, herbal boosters and diet.
The Biopsy would have helped Me NOT her, I was desperate to know what would happen to her, but I had to pull myself together and wait, to save her more of the poking prodding and stuff.
She is now completely well, and my call was very similar to yours, so ... give yourself a break :)
angel2002
Posted - 12 May 2010 : 11:53:02 AM As I said Zapphire1, we are all different and we make our choices based on what we know about our own horses....
My mare was sedated for her liver biopsy & blood tests, again for the peritinial tap, and also rasping of teeth (All avenues were checked for possible causes behind her severe & sudden weight loss). I would not have done this if, at anytime, my vet had said that sedating her would kill her!!
All I will say is if I hadn't had her sedated for the biopsy and other tests she wouldn't be here now. Not having her sedated or not having the biopsy was not an option for me or my mare, neither was me using just herbal potions on her. I wanted to get to the bottom of her unexplained illness and as quick as humanly possible so I chose to use all the veterinary help available to me at that time.
Her diagnosis after all tests was a bile duct infection, which meant antibiotics and HB powder for around 4-5 months in total if I remember rightly, monthly blood tests and around 12 months to get her back up to weight.
I am glad that I did what I did for my mare and I would take the same path again if I had to but that doesn't guarantee me the same outcome....
All any of us can do is what we think is the best for our animals...
Mittens should take comfort in the fact that she was brave to make that call and because of her actions Whinney is no longer suffering
zapphire1
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 5:25:48 PM there you go mittens someone who has had there horse sedated with a vet!!
mind you angel2002 you only mention sedated for the biopsy and not for a few examtions,i know that the biopsy is a high risk factor and when i asked my vet he said its like poeple anyone or anything being sedated for an op its the sedated thats the risk most times not the op its self
but as ive always said iam a believe when its your time its your time
precious
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 1:22:14 PM Hope your ok Mittens x
angel2002
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 09:53:27 AM Mitten's please don't do this to yourself!
Listen to me, my mare was like a living hat rack, she was sedated for her liver biopsy, numerous blood tests, the peritinial tap/drain and she is still here.....So from my experience I would say that sedation did not make Whinney worse. My mares two daughters graze with her in the same paddocks, they are fed the same hay and exactly the same type of feed, all have vaccinations at the same time by the same vet with the same vaccine, the daughters were never ill.
What I am saying is you have tp stop blaming yourself, your vet, your local farmer, it is nobody's fault, maybe it was just her time to go....The only way you could have 100% known what caused her death was to have a postmortem which would have cost a lot of money and may still not have given you the answers that you seek.
Please try to remember all the good times you had with whinney, remembering the last few weeks will make you crazy and you really can't change it!
xxx
zapphire1
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 12:10:45 AM mittins stop there stop right now its not your fault you go mad with if i did or didnt if the vet did or didnt this is apart of your grieving process first shock then tears and pain then blame as we all need to blame something or someone i know i did
when i lost my 8 yr old mare and foal (iam a great beiever in what is ment to be will be)when your number is up its up,sorry if this shocks anyone but in a space of 2 years i lost 1 stallion(2008) 1 mare 1 foal (2009)all full of health still too raw to speak of,but also i had two old girls laid to rest both best pals and both 28years one mare had heart problems since an 8 yr old the other blind in one eye for a tumor that started in her eye and grow to the size of a golf ball (she had this since a 19 yr old)with all there problems i still had to make the sad choise of laying them to rest (nothing was killing these mares)which was done together at the same time they just both laid down after the injection and both had head to head and just fell a sleep sad but kind and gentle,but ,my other poor 3 were to young and to shocking ,and yet my girl who now is 8 went through liver damage still living with it gave birth to her first foal and other then her ears tips missing you wouldnt know,so i have to believe its numbers or i would go mad , yes remember the best times but this will be a slow healing as its a big loss like losing a child god forbid,
i know you are question your vet i question mine as mine did not gave my mare and shots other then when he first came out which i dont know what it was through shock then but day 2 and 3 she had B12injections and i think (cant remember)antibotic injections not sure but B12 was a must hAVE, he never once sedated her if your not happy you can always phone another vet up and just ask them is it safe to sedated a horse with liver damage (you need not say anything about your sad lost) just inquriring !! then you could refuse to pay your vet bill and you may have a claim against that vet (i too beieve you that sedating a liver damage horse is not a good ideal)and she may have said its only a small amount but its got to be enough to sedated her or theres no point
(my mare only had one injection per day for 5 days )i was told that the first blood test should the damage to the liver but without a bio they couldnt tell me how much damage,even the vet said its very risky and not really worth the expence as you could end up with no horse through having it done (hay maybe the risk is the sedative)anyway i asked if its worth more blood tests he said it can only tell us what we already know
so anyway chirst knows how she made it but she did and ive heard of others with only 30% liver fuction living a full life i too read everything on the net looing for my answers i did find this vets info to ragwort which some horses that eaten it six months pior to showing any signs etc http://www.cheshire-equinevets.com/index.php?section=Ragwort+Poisoning ,there are good horse vets there are bad ones then thereare the money grabing ones two if you find a good one lock them up ,and not all expensive vets are good and NEVER EVER BE AFRAID TO TELL A VET THT YOU THINK THERE WRONG I ARGUE WITH A VET ABOUT MY MARES LAMNESS ONCE I PROVE TO HIM I WAS RIGHT HE NEVER GIVE ME A VET BILL, IVE ALSO CHUCK TWO VETS OFF FROM MY YARD i have good Instincts about people and vets and ive always been prove right
AGAIN MITTENS have a good cry take a hot bath and get some sleep you will be able to deal with the world better take care i dont know if you have any other horses to help take away some of your pain,but if not it may be to soon but theres a horse somewhere out there waiting for you to find them and give them the loving home you gave your beloved friend too,best wishes
mittens
Posted - 09 May 2010 : 10:15:39 PM Zapphire that must have been a terrible thing to have to see.I have researched to the point of going square eyed over all this and still I have unanswered questions.I am very sure that 3 shots of sedative on an already weakened system can have been of absolutely no use other than to stop the vet getting injured during the various examinations.Each time I asked if it was okay to keep giving sedative and she said it was only a little amount. I still think it was TOO MUCH.The last time the vet came to check her progress I told her not to do ANY testing or fiddling,but just to observe her.She said that to look at her you'd think there was nothing wrong and she seemed encouraged by her behaiviour and appearance.What a change in under a month especially if you consider we were so encouraged on a number of occasions we thought we should get more bloods done!Maybe I shouldn't have gone onto herbal things,maybe I should have still continued sticking needles into her already vet-phobic body.Whatever I did,may it be right or wrong,I did it for her in a way I knew she could tolerate with as little discomfort as I could manage.Still think I've dreamt it all but a casket in front of the telly tells me its all very real.This is the first of our Arabs we have lost and it has hit very hard.I still feel angry at certain things but hopefully once I've caught up on some sleep I will calm down and start to really enjoy looking back on a wonderful almost 14 years with a very special girl. Thank you all again,you've been an absolute lifeline.
Karon
Posted - 09 May 2010 : 1:15:47 PM Oh Mittens, I'm so sorry. I haven't been following this thread apart from the first couple of posts and was so shocked to hear your dreadful news.
You do the best you can at the time, with the information you have - although if you're like me you'll "what if" for a while yet. I don't know, perhaps it's a way of processing what happened? But you do have to know that you did the best thing for Whinney and you couldn't possibly have done more for her. It's so hard having to make the decision even when it's obvious there's no other option.
Wish something any of us could say could make this easier for you. Please try to remember the good times, that will get easier as time goes by. When I lost Naz to colic it took me months before I could even say her name, but now I can talk about her to people.
Minty Arab
Posted - 09 May 2010 : 11:24:47 AM oh mittens and moominmama im so sorry only just seen this thread bless you both you have obiously done everything you could for whinney and she was very lucky to have such caring and comitted owners and im sure she knew how lucky she was, RIP beautiful girl. Emma xx
Montikka
Posted - 09 May 2010 : 11:06:20 AM Hello Moominmama I am so sorry for your loss, but it is a comfort to know that mittens is not alone in her grief. Whinney was SO beautiful.
Zapphire1 - that was a very interesting post, quite amazing that your horse survived.
Moominmama
Posted - 09 May 2010 : 09:43:13 AM I'm mittens' mum and I would just like to thank everyone for their much needed support during this very upsetting time of losing our beloved Whinney. I know mittens and I made the right decision but it is still so painful to not see her again. I know in time the good times we had with her will outweigh this sad time. She is no longer in pain and running free with her beautiful kind. My thoughts are with all of those who have recently also lost their beloved, beautiful companions.
zapphire1
Posted - 09 May 2010 : 05:07:21 AM very heart breaking news sorry to hear of your lost ive just join i think people should know this though as most people do not know about how you can get your local council to remove any ragwort in hedgerows or near grazing fields that could spread into your field you can actully sue them if after telling them of any problems that they do nothing about (make sure you send a sign recorded letter) as your proof and keep the phone bill or better still tape the call (but you must let the person on the other end of the phone know your taping the call)
i nearly lost my mare to some sort of posion (i dont believe it to be ragwort though)as a result she now has lost he tips of her ears ,as i got down the field oneday to feed her the others came running but no sign of her so i called she called back but still no sign as i started to look for her i saw her turn round and round what look like at the time as a locked neck,as i got closer to her i thought she had been beaten with a bat around her head as it was swelling but i could see blood coming from her ears eyes and every joint the vet came and said she had gorse bush posioning every vein started to pop which happens as the liver and kidney start to fail the vet injected her there and then i can not remember with what through my tears we didnt think she make the night the weight had just drop off from the morn feed when i last saw her to the evening feed when i found her,she was taken into the stable as they also become light sensitive (uv rays)thevet said if she makes it through the night he be back am i dont know how but she did looking something like jeus christ (nailed )she couldnt eat any type of hay or haylage but mange to eat some bran mash in the morning another vet arrive he couldnt believe she was standing let alone eating he asked me how her droping where fine no change just pus and blood from every joint and her blue eyes looked like a snake (green/grey)this vet said he believes its ragwort (which to this day we never know although i know this mare wont touch it and we only had one or three in a field of 10 acres)where the first vet said gorse that ive never heard off we had loads of this in the field and i found a flaten area where it look like she had rolled and got stuck ,she had lots of scratches on her ears and legs and the first vet was spanish and said he had seen this many times
quoto from first vet gorse bushes is very toxic to cremello then palomino then it gets weaker by colour then duns then bays and so on,he was so sure of him self he told me it will be cause by the scratchs it posioning her blood causing liver damage thats why her vessal were poping,now i like many have never heard of this but i swear i do think he may have been right,ive asked many vets since no one has heard of it,ive search the web all i could find was about a women walking her dog when she got scratch from a gorse bush thinking nothing of it she rub her arm and went home later the same day she was rush to hospital with posioning of the blood which was causing her to get liver damage,as she she who would have thought a bush could do that.
anyway day by day my mare was eating more but looking worse her pink skin turn black and hard to touch and she itch and itch where the dead cells were breaking away towards the end of it she was just like a snake by the way of shedding her skin i mean really her skin started to get big cracks like the ground without water then slowly as the cracks got bigger her skin started to peel like a face mask (mud pack) under neath i could see some ne pinker skin as this black cust was shedding her eyes started turning from a green/grey colour to a very glims of blue where all her vessal had pop the skin and hair start coming off (all most like rainscald but 20 times worse)she had no her on her neck parts of her back lower legs (it was summer but i had to rug her)then her checks peeled her face was bald follow buy two shedding ears in the morning i had a shock as i found two ear skins outside her stable in tack (it look like her ears had drop off alass it was just skin)but her ear tips died and never grew back she looks like someone has chop the top of her ears off,how she made it we never know but iam please to say she did she still has to be protected from sun light these days but other then that seems fine almost 2 years on,i have to be very careful with wormers though (but luckie she isnt a worm burden mare)
but alass mittens you did right by your girl too, i lost my andalusian pre mare and then her foal after three days it later it broke me to the point of neary giving up,
i always remember this she and her colt were and are loved never knew any harm and are now running free and eating as much as they like and oneday will be back be my side with me (it takes a braver person to have loved and lost then one who has never loved)also i must point out not all liver damage is posion determining such liver problems as hepatomegaly (enlarged liver), hepatic fibrosis, bile-duct dilatation, bile stones, tumors, and abscesses
Also known as serum hepatitis, Theiler's disease is the subacute death of liver tissue and may result in acute encephalopathy as well as liver failure. It is called serum hepatitis because it frequently follows the administration of tetanus antitoxin one to three months earlier. Plant toxins
Several plants adversely affect the liver. The first is Ragwort. This condition formally is known as pyrrolizidine alkaloid toxicosis, and ragwort is only one of several plants that contain the alkaloid. Others include groundsel, tarweed, rattlebox, and comfrey. One type of plant or another grows all over the United States, Canada, and the world.
The signs include weight loss, altered behavior, jaundice depression, ataxia, and head pressing. Because the condition tends to be chronic, diagnosis is a challenge. SDH may have returned to normal levels before signs are seen, but GGT will be elevated when the signs are present. A biopsy is necessary to differentiate this from other causes of liver damage. A continued elevation of GGT indicates a poor prognosis, and treatment is unsuccessful in most cases.
Other toxins
Other toxins include mycotoxin (moldy corn poisoning). The most common liver-damaging mycotoxin is Fusarium, a mold often found in corn. Encephalitic signs are more common than signs of liver involvement. Treatment consists of supportive therapy and luck; affected horses usually will not make it.
Another is iron toxicosis. Iron ingested or injected in excess can lead to liver damage, although it is uncommon. When liver damage does occur, treatment is usually ineffective. The prognosis is poor.
and there is many more that vets just jump to ragwort when it maybe other problems
please note: although danlion leaves are a good source of iron they flush out the liver ie cleaner (which isnt always good on horses with damage already ask a vet before use) milk thiste is a healer ie an aid to help the liver never use more then one product at a time ie dont think i give a bit of this and that as you could make it worst you wouldnt take two diffrent pain killers
karitaz
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 9:49:52 PM Hi Mittens, so sorry to read about your loss. You did everything you could for your mare and she will have known how loved she was and how devoted you were to her.
Be at peace Whinney x
Annette
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 3:15:40 PM Oh Mittens, I am another who has only just caught up with this thread and am sitting here in floods of tears for you and your beloved Whinny, and the memoies that have come flooding back of my own special boy lost last year. There is so little that I can say to give you any comfort, but she was a very lucky girl to have always had you there for her. You gave her everything a horse could wish for and more. Please Please try not to beat yourself up with the whatifs, you did your very best for her and we can do no more than that. Your friend was well-meaning although maybe wrong, but Whinney knew you were there at the end and that is what is important. Eventually, and it may take weeks, months or even longer, you will mostly remember all those good times you shared together and those memories will bring a smile back. She was a very beautiful girl, you must have been so proud of her. Bless you both.
R.I.P. Whinney, run wild and free with all our friends you have joined, your suffering is all gone now
Mittens, take care of yourself
Annette xxx
pat day
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 2:44:38 PM I,ll lend you for a little while, my grandest foal, he said. For you to love while she,s alive, and mourn for, when she,s dead. It may be one or twenty years, or days or months you see. But will you, till I take her back, Take care of her for me? She,ll bring her charms to gladden you, and should her stay be brief, You,ll have those treasured memories, as solace for your grief. I cannot promise she will stay, since all from earth return, But there are lessons taught on earth I want this foal to learn. I,ve looked the whole world over, in my search for teachers true, And from the throngs that crowd lifes lanes, With trust, I have selected you. Now will you give her your total love?, nor think the labour vain, Nor hate me when I come to take her back again? I know you,ll give her tenderness, and love will bloom each day, And for the happiness you,ve known, Forever grateful stay. But should I come and call for her, much sooner than you,d planned, You,ll brave the bitter grief that comes, and someday you,ll understand. For though I,ll call her home to me, This promise to you I make, For all the love and care you gave, She,ll wait for you, inside Heaven,s Gate.
Claire
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 2:14:40 PM Mittens, have only just caught up with this thread- I am so sorry for your loss having been through the same thing with my william four months ago. I was much the same as you, what ifing and wondering afterwards if anything else could have helped.. I know now that the pain is less raw that I did the right thing for him and I'm sure in time you will know the same. William now has a beautiful tree over his grave and I chat to him all the time- I'm sure he is still with me and that whinney is with you. I am thinking of you and when I go and visit wills later I will tell him to keep a look out for another beautiful chestnut coming his way xxx
alison
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 1:07:33 PM So very sorry to hear that you have lost your beloved horse, but you did right by her and she would have been comforted by your presence and help. There are no ifs and buts as all loving and caring people do their utmost in difficult and emotionally charged situations. Your horse knew that you loved her as you know that she loved you, just hold on to all those happy memories, and feel proud to have owned and been owned by such a beautiful horse whose presence will give you strength as she ambles beside you. Good wishes, Alison
Montikka
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 12:20:55 PM Aww Mittens you are doing exactly what I tend to do - going round-and-round, wracking your brain as to whether there was something more you could have done. The very fact that your other two are strong, healthy horses of 26 and 29 shows that your management is not at fault, indeed, it must be very good!
She may have had an inherent weakness that made her less able to cope with the everyday toxins (from all sorts of places) she encountered. Or, perhaps she did graze pasture that had been contaminated by chemicals drifting from nearby farms. It's so hard to tell.
As Barbara says, once the liver is damaged to the point of symptoms, it is often beyond repair.
A shorter life, full of love and happiness is so much better than a long, indifferent one - or worse
I guess your friend thought she was helping, I don't suppose Whinney minded too much either way as she was blissfully unaware of the situation. It will get less painful {{{{hugs}}}}.
kate b
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 11:58:02 AM Oh Mittens, I have only just seen this thread and have read it from start to finish. You did everything you possibly could to help your lovely mare, and in the end you made the right decision to let her go. I had a similar problem with my filly Passion - but she had kidney problems, she was never 'ill' or in pain, but it was very hard to keep weight on her, and her appetite could be sporadic at times. By the age of 2, after no end of blood tests etc, and it was found on a scan that her kidneys were the size of a 6 month old foal and were covered in cysts. Therefore as she had grown her kidneys had stayed the same size and gradually were struggling to cope with her increased size. She was PTS just before her 3rd birthday. This was 3 years ago now and I still miss her dearly. There was no way of knowing what caused the cysts - it could have been inherited, due to anti-biotics she was given at a young age, or any number of contributing factors so I also went through the 'what-ifs'.
Just remember that your mare had a wonderful life with you. She knew she was loved dearly. There are too many horses in this world that are never shown kindness, and are left alone to get on with life - and death.
Kate xxx
mittens
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 10:46:25 AM Sorry to hear of your friends' loss. It's devastating. I have done so much research over the past 6 weeks and have come up with so many things it could have been. Years ago when she was a foal she was grazed on the orchard where all the horses have been prior to having to move as the site was to be developed.There were sheep on that land but that was a good 20 years ago;could the things that cause liver fluke still be in the soil after that amount of time? As I said earlier I had a really bad year of ragwort but the field was fenced off (but Whinney broke through the electric on many an occasion)and treated but grass was plentiful,people commented on how lucky we were grass wise despite the dry weather and all the horses were well fed.Also with ragwort they get sloppy wet pasty droppings which she never had.As she was slow to suckle and therefore slow to pass her first pooh was her immune system already compromised from the off? It seems strange that she is the only horse to have suffered,stranger still as you would have thought my 26 and 29 year old would be far more vunerable to anything. I still wonder too if the vaccination could have caused a reaction as it seems quite common.Also we are next to a cropped field so could there be leakage into our soil from any chemicals they use? SO many questions. I just feel angry that my friend kept telling me to move away from her so she didn't pick up on how upset I was,but all I wanted to do was hold her. Very hard to deal with,the casket doesn't seem big enough for such a huge character.
barbara.gregory
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 10:09:41 AM I am so sorry that your beutiful Whinney has gone. It is a very hard decision to make but you did the right thing. Please don't "what if ...."" as you did the best you could for her. Sadly my friend had to have his gelding PTS as well, he too had liver failure. The sad thing is the liver copes until it is shot to pieces and by the time the symptoms appear it is very often too late to do anything.
Life does get bettr again; it just takes time.
RIP Whinney, your suffering is ended.
Barbara
saddlebred
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 1:52:50 PM Oh bless you Mittens. You clearly loved her very very much. You did the right thing - your lovely Whinney was clearly ready to go and she did not deserve to be in such pain. You have obviously spent a lot of heartache and money in trying to keep her going but sometimes it just doesnt work no matter how hard we try. Dont have any regrets - she will know that you did your best.
It will get easier with time but I know it must feel like an aching emptiness at the moment. You take care
RIP Whinney. x
mittens
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 1:33:48 PM Thank you,finding all very difficult.Have to collect her ashes soon from the vet. She didn't think too kindly of the vet in the end so I don't want to leave her there too long.Gonna be a hard journey and so different to the journeys back from shows.The last show was the UKIAHS where we got her 4th bronze medal;she enabled me to live that dream which I never thought would be possible. A life cut short but maybe she was needed elsewhere now to help somebody else. I miss her so much
only just seen this thread
I am so sorry for your loss, but it is a comfort to know that mittens is not alone in her grief. Whinney was SO beautiful.
